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2009-07-03 05:43 – Alan Bourke : [dabo-users] OpenRPT
2009-07-03 13:18 – John : Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT
2009-07-03 13:47 – Dan Means : Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT
2009-07-06 07:17 – Alan Bourke : Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT
2009-07-06 12:03 – Dan Means : Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT
2009-07-06 12:23 – Alan Bourke : Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT
2009-07-06 12:29 – Dan Means : Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT
2009-07-06 13:51 – John : Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT
2009-07-06 15:32 – Alan Bourke : Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT
2009-07-06 16:17 – Ed Leafe : Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT
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[dabo-users] OpenRPT

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2009-07-03 05:43:30   Link

Does anyone have any comments or experience with OpenRPT? Not in a Dabo

context obviously, in a general Python context.

TIA.

--

Alan Bourke

alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

©2009 Alan Bourke
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Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT

Author: John

Posted: 2009-07-03 13:18:11   Link

On Friday 03 July 2009 02:43:30 am Alan Bourke wrote:

> Does anyone have any comments or experience with OpenRPT? Not in a Dabo

> context obviously, in a general Python context.

>

> TIA.

I looked into finding a replacement to reportWriter and OpenRPT was one of

many. I found that reportWriter did most of everything needed for reporting

directly from dabo. I decided that it was better investing in reportWriter

(Paul fixed a paragraph issue) then presenting a different interface to the

user to a report writer such as OpenRPT and making the install have much more

complex.

©2009 John
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Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT

Author: Dan Means

Posted: 2009-07-03 13:47:00   Link

I have a lot of experience with OpenRPT - it's the embedded reporting tool

for Postbooks / Xtuple open source ERP/MRP system. As a standalone tool, you

have the design part, and the renderer that your end user would see. I

spend a lot of time tweaking things from within the ERP system for clients.

Works well with postgresql, not so much with other databases -- might work

with mysql or sqlite, and there's been talk of ODBC connectors but the

Xtuple guys are focused on postgresql. It is easy to install / setup if you

Not sure how you'd use it in a Python app -- it's QT based, and C++ based,

not Python based.

It's about on par I'd guess it's about on part with Crystal Reports -- maybe

version 7.x -- no graphical query / database connector tools. They call the

coding system "meta sql" -- so you can embed parameters etc. and get prompts

for filters....and a hell of a lot easier to use than Jasper/ Pentaho stuff.

On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Alan Bourke <alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Does anyone have any comments or experience with OpenRPT? Not in a Dabo

> context obviously, in a general Python context.

>

> TIA.

> --

> Alan Bourke

> alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

>

>

>

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Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2009-07-06 07:17:27   Link

On Fri, 03 Jul 2009 06:47 -0700, "Dan Means" <dkmeans@gmail.com> wrote:

>

> Not sure how you'd use it in a Python app -- it's QT based, and C++

> based,

> not Python based.

>

Yeah, that's the problem.

> and a hell of a lot easier to use than Jasper/ Pentaho

> stuff.

I've got Jasper installed in Ubuntu, and it looks very powerful, but

unless you're developing in Java you have to use the Jasper report

server and call reports programmatically against that, which might be

too heavy a solution for smallish applications. You'd have the added

complication of Tomcat and MySQL. I've looked at Pentaho too, but it

seems to be a maze of different applications which all seemed to have

previously called something else, and it's completely unclear from their

website as to exactly what one would require for any given application.

There's just some gaping holes in the toolchain if you wanted to do

desktop apps with Python (present Dabo company excluded of course!)

We were so spoiled with VFP ...

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Alan Bourke

alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

©2009 Alan Bourke
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Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT

Author: Dan Means

Posted: 2009-07-06 12:03:47   Link

>

>

> <<We were so spoiled with VFP ...>>

Little did we know what an awesome tool Dr. Dave gave us.

I've had some luck with the various designers for Jasper engines, but I get

the weirdest java errors on data types doing simple lists / totals that I

gave up, and their community is less than helpful when you ask questions --

it's always "buy my book for $59" which was so out of date that it was

useless.

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Dan Means

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Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2009-07-06 12:23:23   Link

Linux needs a Crystal Reports basically. Reporting seems to be the last

thing on the list with *any* development approach I've looked at under

Linux. Present company excluded.

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Alan Bourke

alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

©2009 Alan Bourke
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Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT

Author: Dan Means

Posted: 2009-07-06 12:29:09   Link

I cannot agree more. John Fabiani and I go back a long way with Foxpro based

ERP apps - (old SBT hounds) - with Postbooks / Xtuple we got around that

missing piece - but a nice generic Crystal type app would be ideal.

The OpenRPT app is close. There's a big opportunity I suspect in this piece

of the puzzle.

On Mon, Jul 6, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Alan Bourke <alanpbourke@fastmail.fm> wrote:

> Linux needs a Crystal Reports basically. Reporting seems to be the last

> thing on the list with *any* development approach I've looked at under

> Linux. Present company excluded.

> --

> Alan Bourke

> alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

>

>

>

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Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT

Author: John

Posted: 2009-07-06 13:51:51   Link

On Monday 06 July 2009 09:29:09 am Dan Means wrote:

> but a nice generic Crystal type app would be ideal.

Maybe I'm just getting old but I hated Crystal. Way over the top. After

spending hundreds of dollars and maybe hundred hours setting up drill down

etc. I never had a client that ever said "wow" or even anything close. I

even asked a major client if they enjoyed the click and drill down. I got "I

don't use it".

My clients do not care about all that can be done with crystal. So I gave up

and just used Fox. And the same goes for foxfire, stonefield and others. I

show them how to create reports and two month later I watch as they use Excel

to create a new report.

And today I'm presented with the same situation. Yea, I could use something

other than ReportDesigner and reportWriter. But why?

Larry has been able to do everything the clients want so far. Sure there are

issues but nothing is a deal breaker (Thanks to Paul). At the moment we have

email (converted PDF to text and attachment of PDF), Fax, printing, and

review. We will soon have SMS text messages too.

The only thing I'd like to see is better tools to create reports. I had to

create a small app to generate test data for the XML's. Also the

ReportDesigner is not always stable.

©2009 John
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Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT

Author: Alan Bourke

Posted: 2009-07-06 15:32:19   Link

On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:51 -0700, "John" <jfabiani@yolo.com> wrote:

>

> The only thing I'd like to see is better tools to create reports. I had

> to

> create a small app to generate test data for the XML's. Also the

> ReportDesigner is not always stable.

That's what I really mean I guess - an independent GUI-based report

designer that will connect to PostgreSQL, MySQL, Firebird, couple

others, maybe even MSSQL, producing portable report definition files

that can probably rendered to PDF by a seperate renderer, which in turn

can be leveraged by whatever language.

I can't believe there aren't scads of them out there in Linux land

already. Maybe they're too hard to write.

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Alan Bourke

alanpbourke (at) fastmail (dot) fm

©2009 Alan Bourke
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Re: [dabo-users] OpenRPT

Author: Ed Leafe

Posted: 2009-07-06 16:17:57   Link

On Jul 6, 2009, at 2:32 PM, Alan Bourke wrote:

> I can't believe there aren't scads of them out there in Linux land

> already. Maybe they're too hard to write.

Crystal and similar products came about before the advent of the web

as the primary development platform. Since the web, very little effort

is being expended in the non-web fields. I guess if there was a strong

demand someone would have stepped up, just like if there was a strong

demand for desktop apps, Dabo would be used by millions.

-- Ed Leafe

©2009 Ed Leafe