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2008-10-11 10:23Bob Calco : [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"
2008-10-11 16:25Kristyne McDaniel : RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"
2008-10-11 16:36John : RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"
2008-10-11 16:49Kristyne McDaniel : RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"
2008-10-11 16:50Bob Calco : RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"
2008-10-11 16:58Michael Madigan : RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"
2008-10-11 17:06Bob Calco : RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"
2008-10-11 17:18Pete Theisen : Re: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"
2008-10-11 17:20John : RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"
2008-10-11 17:22Kristyne McDaniel : RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"
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[OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

Author: Bob Calco

Posted: 2008-10-11 10:23:17   Link

http://tinyurl.com/5yut5v

- - -

The media is obviously partisan towards the left. Analysis proves it, it's

obvious to the observer, and surveys show that most Americans know it to be

true.

The degree to which the MSM has gone openly, nakedly pro-Obama is, however,

truly striking. They are now more obviously in the tank than ever before in

modern memory.

The most recent example is exceptionally disgusting, even for them.

The findings of the Palin "Troopergate" probe allowed the press to feel as

though they should use the opportunity to come out with headlines like . . .

<snip images>

Unlawfully? UNLAWFULLY?

Check out this analysis by Bill Dyer. Here's a key excerpt:

"I find that, although Walt Monegan's refusal to fire Trooper Michael

Wooten was not the sole reason he was fired by Governor Sarah Palin, it was

likely a contributing factor to his termination as Commissioner of Public

Safety. In spite of that, Governor Palin's firing of Commissioner Monegan

was a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and statutory

authority to hire and fire executive branch department heads."

Here's a note to Mr. Branchflower, who clearly is verbose, but obviously

none too keen a scholar of logic: Gov. Palin's so-called "firing" of Monegan

(it wasn't a firing, it was a re-assignment to other government duties that

he resigned rather than accept) can't simultaneously be a violation of the

Ethics Act and "a proper and lawful exercise of her constitutional and

statutory authority." This, gentle readers, is a 263-page piece of political

circus that actually explicitly refutes itself on its single most key page!

So, the report-which has flaws of its own that Dyer discusses-also clearly

says that Palin violated no laws. So how does the press report it? As

"unlawful."

That's what passes for journalism these days.

PS: Note the picture CBS chose, with Palin's hand on heart, to create what

they think is some sort of sense of "irony." At what point do we get to stop

saying that the media's behavior is disgusting and start saying that they

themselves are disgusting?

- - -

I am finding it more and more difficult to find quiet in my spirit over what

is happening. I pray; I remind myself that all things work to the good, and

I earnestly hope that I am wrong about, well, everything at this point.

The media concludes something with this bogus "Troopergate" scandal that is

plainly refuted by the very document they present as proof. Indeed the

so-called independent finding is a case study in internal contradiction, if

not speculative fiction.

The underlying charge is so ridiculous as an issue it's not funny. Anyone

familiar with the facts would have to argue the mere fact the trooper is

still employed proves that it's impossible even for a governor to fire a

dangerous schmuck who is threatening the governor's family. But whatever.

Yet, for all the mass of evidence of Obama's radical political agenda and

reckless, if not dangerous, political alliances to extremists of the first

water, not to mention the cult-like following the media and Hollywood are

creating around this guy, established facts about these relationships are

presented as partisan innuendo, when they are presented at all--which is

almost never, and usually in a tone of criticism of McCain and his

supporters for bringing them up.

I would love to see an "independent panel" of Obama's past actions and

political alliances. Let's speculate about the "likely contributing factors"

of his past influences that point to nefarious motives--most of which come

right out of his own "memoirs" (possibly ghost written at least in part by

Ayers--see http://tinyurl.com/4pxtdu). It's obvious why they did this--to

blunt legitimate criticism of Obama's connections to domestic terrorists

(Ayers & Dohrn), Marxists (Saul Alinsky, his friends at the Democratic

Socialists conference in Chicago in 1996), Muslim extremists (al-Monsour),

communist dictatorial thugs (Raila Odinga), greedy executives (Raines,

Johnston), bank lobbyists (Joe Biden's son, no less) etc.

The issues isn't that he has no record, it's that what record there is

cannot be openly discussed. And what can be discussed cannot be honestly

discussed. His accusations, for example, that McCain's "deregulation" and

opposition to "common-sense" regulation is so easily refuted my head

explodes each time he says it and the media refuses to do their job of

fact-checking. Kent's video yesterday put the lie to that--but none of those

clips are making it to the nightly news. Why?

Obama was right---McCain has no idea what he's up against. And the voters

have no idea what they are, apparently, about to put in power.

God help us all.

- Bob

©2008 Bob Calco
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RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

Author: Kristyne McDaniel

Posted: 2008-10-11 16:25:37   Link

My understanding is that Palins' pressure on subordinates was the 'unlawful'

act, because it violates Alaska's ethics laws. There are no criminal

penalties for the action, as it does not constitute an actual crime.

The firing of Wooten was not illegal. Palin was completely within her rights

to hire and fire the department heads in the executive branch for any reason

or no reason at all.

This is something that has been known for a while. The issue I found most

interesting was that Todd Palin was using the governor's office to make

calls to the governor's subordinates. If Sarah were a man letting his *wife*

use the governor's office to make calls, most state governments would have

her head on a plate by now.

Doesn't anyone remember all the grief Bill and Hillary received over Hillary

doing official business on the health care initiative in 1993? That was

official business. Imagine if she had been sitting in the oval office making

calls urging the firing of her brother-in-law to subordinates?

Kristyne McDaniel

http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog

http://www.mcstyles.com/

Whether you think you can, or you think you can't.... you are right.

-- Henry Ford

©2008 Kristyne McDaniel
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RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

Author: John

Posted: 2008-10-11 16:36:32   Link

Doesn't anyone remember all the grief Bill and Hillary received over Hillary

doing official business on the health care initiative in 1993? That was

official business. Imagine if she had been sitting in the oval office making

calls urging the firing of her brother-in-law to subordinates?

Yeah, I remember that, that was travelgate. She had them fired, and was

operating from within the White House, as I recall.

JH

©2008 John
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RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

Author: Kristyne McDaniel

Posted: 2008-10-11 16:49:50   Link

John,

> Yeah, I remember that, that was travelgate. She had them

> fired, and was operating from within the White House, as

> I recall.

I don't remember all the particulars about that issue. I do, however, recall

that there was an uproar over the issue of the spouse acting in a way that

should just not be done in the oval office. Sarah Palin made a mistake with

allowing Todd to behave as if he has an actual role in the governor's

office. She should take some flak for that. But she probably should not lose

her job, and it is really not as big an issue as it is made out to be. It

was a dumb mistake, and a violation of ethics law -- not a criminal act.

That said, I'm still not voting for McCain / Palin. I am persuaded that

Obama's thoughtful decision-making style is going to work the best to

resolve the pressing issues facing the country.

Kristyne McDaniel

http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog

http://www.emryldadvantage.com/

http://www.mcstyles.com/

Whether you think you can, or you think you can't.... you are right.

-- Henry Ford

©2008 Kristyne McDaniel
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RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

Author: Bob Calco

Posted: 2008-10-11 16:50:53   Link

Hi Kristyne:

>

> My understanding is that Palins' pressure on subordinates was the

> 'unlawful'

> act, because it violates Alaska's ethics laws. There are no criminal

> penalties for the action, as it does not constitute an actual crime.

>

It rather reminds me of the Plame investigation in this regard. The guy who

actually "leaked" the name was Armitage at the State Dept. (ally of Powell

and enemy of Cheney/Libby)...and at no point was he ever under legal threat

because, well, Plame was not a covered agent at the time of the leak, i.e.,

there was no crime committed--a fact Fitzgerald kept well in his vest long

enough to lay a perjury trap for someone at the White House, to justify his

2 year investigation.

> The firing of Wooten was not illegal. Palin was completely within her

> rights

> to hire and fire the department heads in the executive branch for any

> reason

> or no reason at all.

Case closed.

>

> This is something that has been known for a while. The issue I found

> most

> interesting was that Todd Palin was using the governor's office to make

> calls to the governor's subordinates. If Sarah were a man letting his

> *wife*

> use the governor's office to make calls, most state governments would

> have

> her head on a plate by now.

The issue is not quite as cut and dry, given Wooten's familial relations and

proven threat to the governor's family.

I don't think you can make a fair analogy between Todd Palin and Hillary

Clinton.

>

> Doesn't anyone remember all the grief Bill and Hillary received over

> Hillary

> doing official business on the health care initiative in 1993? That was

> official business. Imagine if she had been sitting in the oval office

> making

> calls urging the firing of her brother-in-law to subordinates?

The facts of the case reveal Wooten has more than a few screws loose, and

that he was indeed abusing his power as a state trooper in terrorizing the

Governor's family directly. I frankly can't believe the subordinate would

not have fired Wooten after all of his infractions... DESPITE the fact that

he was a relative of the Governor: that seems almost a dereliction of duty.

- Bob

>

> Kristyne McDaniel

> http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog

> http://www.mcstyles.com/

>

> Whether you think you can, or you think you can't.... you are right.

> -- Henry Ford

©2008 Bob Calco
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RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2008-10-11 16:58:56   Link

The difference is that the trooper tasered her nephew and threatened to kill her father.

************************************************************************

On Wednesday, November 5th, Vote for Barack Obama

Right Wing Mike

http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike

--- On Sat, 10/11/08, John <john.harvey@shelbynet.com> wrote:

From: John <john.harvey@shelbynet.com>

Subject: RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

To: "'ProFox Email List'" <profox@leafe.com>

Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 4:36 PM

Doesn't anyone remember all the grief Bill and Hillary received over Hillary

doing official business on the health care initiative in 1993? That was

official business. Imagine if she had been sitting in the oval office making

calls urging the firing of her brother-in-law to subordinates?

Yeah, I remember that, that was travelgate. She had them fired, and was

operating from within the White House, as I recall.

JH

[excessive quoting removed by server]

©2008 Michael Madigan
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RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

Author: Bob Calco

Posted: 2008-10-11 17:06:21   Link

Kristyne:

>

> That said, I'm still not voting for McCain / Palin. I am persuaded that

> Obama's thoughtful decision-making style is going to work the best to

> resolve the pressing issues facing the country.

>

I could believe this about him, if I didn't also know about his close

political ties to folks like Ayers/Dorhn, or Khalid Al-Monsour, or Raila

Odinga, or ACORN, or Saul Alinsky, or the Democratic Socialists ("New

Party") in Chicago, or his "spiritual mentor's" embrace of Black Liberation

Theology and Louis Farrakhan.

Those minor details I find rather hard to reconcile to his media-created

image of a thoughtful, intelligent, post-partisan, post-racial candidate. I

see a master dissembler and enabler. He even admitted as much in his

memoirs, when talking about how he hid his drug use from his mother.

I don't know how you do it, other than you must be ignoring the evidence or

convincing yourself it's all made up.

I also don't know how you give characters like Raines, Johnson, Barney

Frank, Chris Dodd and other Democrats (like Joe Biden's son) with their

hands all over this credit collapse crisis a free pass. Any outrage you feel

at the people who causes it seems ill-placed, if you think voting for Obama

will punish the folks who caused this mess. It was indeed McCain and the

Republicans, and not the Democrats or Obama, who were sounding the alarm in

2004 and 2005, about the practices that lead to this meltdown.

Finally I don't know how you think an Obama presidency with a Democratically

controlled Congress (possibly one with a filibuster proof majority in the

Senate) will be anything but an unmitigated, fast-track disaster.

- Bob

©2008 Bob Calco
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Re: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

Author: Pete Theisen

Posted: 2008-10-11 17:18:03   Link

Bob Calco wrote:

>

> I don't know how you do it, other than you must be ignoring the evidence or

> convincing yourself it's all made up.

Hi Bob!

Blame me, I posted "N-word" in connection with the, ahem, D candicate.

Now she gets to dismiss all the facts about him. You were right.

--

Regards,

Pete

http://pete-theisen.com/

©2008 Pete Theisen
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RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

Author: John

Posted: 2008-10-11 17:20:20   Link

Think George, from Seinfeld, when he got caught having sex with the cleanup

lady on his desk. . . Is that wrong, cause if I had only known. . . ?

JH

-----Original Message-----

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Of Michael Madigan

Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2008 3:59 PM

To: ProFox Email List

Subject: RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

The difference is that the trooper tasered her nephew and threatened to kill

her father.

************************************************************************

On Wednesday, November 5th, Vote for Barack Obama

Right Wing Mike

http://www.cafepress.com/rightwingmike

--- On Sat, 10/11/08, John <john.harvey@shelbynet.com> wrote:

From: John <john.harvey@shelbynet.com>

Subject: RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

To: "'ProFox Email List'" <profox@leafe.com>

Date: Saturday, October 11, 2008, 4:36 PM

Doesn't anyone remember all the grief Bill and Hillary received over Hillary

doing official business on the health care initiative in 1993? That was

official business. Imagine if she had been sitting in the oval office making

calls urging the firing of her brother-in-law to subordinates?

Yeah, I remember that, that was travelgate. She had them fired, and was

operating from within the White House, as I recall.

JH

[excessive quoting removed by server]

©2008 John
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RE: [OT] Media: Palin's perfectly legal firing was "unlawful"

Author: Kristyne McDaniel

Posted: 2008-10-11 17:22:26   Link

I made an error in my previous posts... I was up until about 3:00 last night

and am not fully alert. When I said "Michael Wooton" I meant to say "Walter

Monegan".

Firing a classified employee like a police officer is definitely not within

the governor's power. It is Walter Monegan that got fired, and that's who

she had a right to fire.

Kristyne McDaniel

http://www.kristynemcdaniel.com/blog

http://www.emryldadvantage.com/

http://www.mcstyles.com/

Whether you think you can, or you think you can't.... you are right.

-- Henry Ford

©2008 Kristyne McDaniel