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2007-12-12 16:28Stephen Russell : [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data
2007-12-12 16:34Ed Leafe : Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data
2007-12-12 16:42MB Software Solutions : Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data
2007-12-12 16:57John Weller : RE: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data
2007-12-12 17:06Paul McNett : Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data
2007-12-12 17:15Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh : Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data
2007-12-12 17:15Ed Leafe : Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data
2007-12-12 17:17Ed Leafe : Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data
2007-12-12 17:32Ricardo Aráoz : Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data
2007-12-12 17:45Ed Leafe : Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data
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[NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data

Author: Stephen Russell

Posted: 2007-12-12 16:28:09   Link

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Record melting ice volume and temps. Just a fluke?

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Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data

Author: Ed Leafe

Posted: 2007-12-12 16:34:13   Link

On Dec 12, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:

> Record melting ice volume and temps. Just a fluke?

Well, it was cold one day in someone's town, so that proves that

global warming is a hoax. At least that's what I heard on Fox News.

-- Ed Leafe

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Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data

Author: MB Software Solutions

Posted: 2007-12-12 16:42:00   Link

Ed Leafe wrote:

> On Dec 12, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:

>

>

>> Record melting ice volume and temps. Just a fluke?

>>

>

> Well, it was cold one day in someone's town, so that proves that

> global warming is a hoax. At least that's what I heard on Fox News.

>

>

Oh yes, you certainly wouldn't hear that on any other news channel. The

global warming must be caused by that guy in the comic you posted awhile

back where he spews fire (and venom/hate) in every scene (and the Dem is

a quiet pacifistic weenie nobody). <g>

--

Michael J. Babcock, MCP

MB Software Solutions, LLC

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RE: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data

Author: John Weller

Posted: 2007-12-12 16:57:23   Link

It has been getting warmer for several thousand years! About 10,000 years

ago you could walk from England to France and Germany because of all the

water locked up in the ice caps. Five hundred years ago you could roast an

ox on the frozen River Thames in Winter. Thirty thousand years ago lions

and hippos roamed England.

What gets to me is that all of these stories are pushed by people with an

axe to grind; academics looking to their next research grant, journalists

with a newspaper to sell. Quotes are made of 'averages' but never any

mention of the standard deviation or any other measure of distribution. In

many cases the difference from the 'average' could well be less than the

mean error in the measuring instruments of the earliest times; after all,

the Fahrenheit scale is only 250 years old and there is no mention of how

accurately temperatures were recorded.

I'm not anti global warming theories, just sceptical which is the result of

my training in flight trials - don't believe any claims (particularly from a

manufacturer) until they have been proven!

John Weller

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> http://www.news.com/8301-13580_3-9833022-39.html?part=rss&subj=new

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> Record melting ice volume and temps. Just a fluke?

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Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data

Author: Paul McNett

Posted: 2007-12-12 17:06:42   Link

John Weller wrote:

> It has been getting warmer for several thousand years! About 10,000 years

> ago you could walk from England to France and Germany because of all the

> water locked up in the ice caps. Five hundred years ago you could roast an

> ox on the frozen River Thames in Winter. Thirty thousand years ago lions

> and hippos roamed England.

And just over 25 years ago the Arctic ice cap was larger by the size of

about half the contiguous US states.

Paul

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Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data

Author: Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh

Posted: 2007-12-12 17:15:05   Link

Hard to believe that __stephen *still* doesn't understand (or doesn't

care) what is [OT].

"Is is hot in here or is it just you?"

Ken

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Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data

Author: Ed Leafe

Posted: 2007-12-12 17:15:57   Link

On Dec 12, 2007, at 4:57 PM, John Weller wrote:

> I'm not anti global warming theories, just sceptical which is the

> result of

> my training in flight trials - don't believe any claims

> (particularly from a

> manufacturer) until they have been proven!

You seem to impugn a whole lot of people who have done some serious

research, yet you fail to mention how the evidence they have produced

is at all questionable.

People get research grants because their work is thorough and

correct, not because it supports any personal theory. If anything,

the Big Money would be behind the folks trying to pooh-pooh the

evidence, because that would help ensure that they can continue to do

business without being held responsible for their effect on others.

Also, "proof" is a slippery word. You do know that any connection

between smoking tobacco and lung cancer, heart disease, and all the

other bad things currently attributed to smoking has never been

"proven", right? You do know that atomic theory has never been

"proven" either, despite the indisputable evidence of nuclear bombs?

-- Ed Leafe

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Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data

Author: Ed Leafe

Posted: 2007-12-12 17:17:01   Link

On Dec 12, 2007, at 5:06 PM, Paul McNett wrote:

>> It has been getting warmer for several thousand years! About

>> 10,000 years

>> ago you could walk from England to France and Germany because of

>> all the

>> water locked up in the ice caps. Five hundred years ago you could

>> roast an

>> ox on the frozen River Thames in Winter. Thirty thousand years

>> ago lions

>> and hippos roamed England.

>

> And just over 25 years ago the Arctic ice cap was larger by the

> size of

> about half the contiguous US states.

The earth's tectonic plates are also moving continuously, and have

been for some time. It's when they move *suddenly* that you need to

worry.

-- Ed Leafe

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Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data

Author: Ricardo Aráoz

Posted: 2007-12-12 17:32:35   Link

MB Software Solutions wrote:

> Ed Leafe wrote:

>> On Dec 12, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Stephen Russell wrote:

>>

>>

>>> Record melting ice volume and temps. Just a fluke?

>>>

>> Well, it was cold one day in someone's town, so that proves that

>> global warming is a hoax. At least that's what I heard on Fox News.

>>

>>

>

> Oh yes, you certainly wouldn't hear that on any other news channel. The

> global warming must be caused by that guy in the comic you posted awhile

> back where he spews fire (and venom/hate) in every scene (and the Dem is

> a quiet pacifistic weenie nobody). <g>

>

Nope! The global warming is a hoax spread to harm US interests by those

traitorous Democrats who are not "real Americans".... and therefor not

"real traitors" (for to be a "real traitor" you must be a "real American")!

Buy Republican gifts!

Buy my T-shirts!

Pleeeeeaaaaseeee.

©2007 Ricardo Aráoz
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Re: [NF] Is it cold or hot? global warming data

Author: Ed Leafe

Posted: 2007-12-12 17:45:01   Link

On Dec 12, 2007, at 5:15 PM, Kenneth Kixmoeller/fh wrote:

> Hard to believe that __stephen *still* doesn't understand (or doesn't

> care) what is [OT].

Arrgghh! And I replied without looking, so I'm just as bad.

-- Ed Leafe

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©2007 Ed Leafe