On Tuesday 23 October 2007 16:41, John Harvey wrote:
Hi John!
Steve has made something of a name for himself by extended participation in
flame wars. These may still be on the archives. Here's a sample thread:
http://leafe.com/archives/showFullThd/147042
> Dang, you girls are getting yourselves all wadded up over what?
<snip>
> "You know, looking quickly at my tallies, which might or might not be
> accurate, I see that since November 1999 you've received, from me, for free
>(no donations, no contacts, nothing that I can recall) -- free hosting of
>the "GarrettFitzgerald" article on the FoxPro Wiki..."
>
> Oh, don't worry, Steve, you won't have to host my content any longer.
--
Regards,
Pete
On Thursday 25 October 2007 00:21, Steven Black wrote:
Hi Steven!
You got into it pretty good with JVP as well, if I recall correctly. You don't
have a short fuse, do you?
Now if you are writing an article about Garret Fitzgerald himself, and not
giving him input to it? If you write an article about me, please wait until
after I have died, thanks.
Oh, yeah. You made VFUG list as well. The post said "Weirdness at the Fox
Wikiâââ¬ÃŠ"
> To hopefully clarify this a little....
>
> Garretts's "Public letter to Steven Black" was never addressed to me. I am
> not currently a subscriber to this list. I heard from someone else that
> something had been posted here.
>
> For some specific background, please see
> http://fox.wikis.com/wc.dll?Wiki~GarrettFitzgerald
>
> In short, asking Garrett Fitzgerald for a little more space while editing a
> brand new article in Wikipedia is, apparently, too much to ask.
>
> Also for the record, here below (well, way below) is the complete email I
> sent personally to Garrett. I've sent several emails to Garrett since Oct
> 22 (Monday) and he's replied to none. Zero. It turns out that selectively
> posting edited private email segments is something Garrett does.
>
> ===================================================================
> The Gyst: "I've been pretty cool and generous with you for eight years,
> Garrett. Why not be cool with me and back-off for just a little while,
> and let me work on my Wikipedia article in relative peace?"
>
> Plain and simple. Too much to ask, evidently.
>
> It's interesting that you can create and maintain a structure that gives a
> guy over Internet 60,000+ page views and the #1 Google SERP for his name
> and profession and, in return, you don't even get the courtesy of a reply,
> or a simple easy-get comply on a very simple request for space.
>
> Remember: all I was asking Garrett was for some courtesy to edit a new
> Wikipedia article in relative peace, free from continuous edits and
> unilateral real-time concurrent section DELETIONS by him, some of the easy
> peace he's been getting from me for 8 effing years.
> ====================================================================
>
> Note the selective things that Garrett Fitzgerald omits from the "quote"
> that you've seen in his "Public Letter to Steven Black" (which, in fact,
> was to everyone BUT Steven Black)
>
> (At this point in time at least two emails from me have gone without reply
> from Garrett)
>
>
> From: Steven Black <steveb@stevenblack.com>
> To: Garrett Fitzgerald <gfitzger@nyx.net>
> Date: Tuesday, October 23, 2007, 1:24:07 PM
> Subject: Lake Ontario Waterkeeper topic on Wikipedia
>
> Garrett,
>
> You know, looking quickly at my tallies, which might or might not be
> accurate, I see that since November 1999 you've received, from me, for free
> (no donations, no contacts, nothing that I can recall) -- free hosting of
> the
> "GarrettFitzgerald" article on the FoxPro Wiki that has generated some
> 23,800+ page views for you, net of bots, which are about 30% of Wiki
> traffic and of course convey intrinsic but incalculable benefits of their
> own. The "GarrettFKBArticles" topic logs-in at 41,200+ hits since August
> 2001.
>
> If I Google "Garrett Fitzgerald FoxPro" the #1 on the SERP is an entry for
> which you have free control that is hosted on a website that I host and pay
> for. It's impossible for me to say what this may or may not have meant in
> terms of benefits for you.
>
> It occurs to me, what am I, a complete sucker?
>
> So... what have you done for me lately?
>
> Answer: not very much.
>
> In fact, the way I see it, you've gone out of your way to piss me off. You
> don't return emails, you lie to me about not being online, and you have
> been nearly continuously screwing with my work on Wikipedia despite me
> asking you politely, then more forcefully, not to do so.
>
> There's one born every minute, so they say. Apparently I'm "it".
>
> I've just read what you wrote (in Wikipedia) about me knowing or not
> knowing who "Sarek Of Vulcan" is. We *both* know I've know this for
> *years*, Garrett. So much for you being helpful and de-cluttering
> communications.
>
> Make no mistake: I have NEVER been abused online like I've been abused by
> that BSF guy, you, Caren, and whoever else BSF roused from the Admin pages
> in his quest to keep what I am passionate about off Wikipedia. As we both
> know, I have been involved in some *classic*, even *epic* shitfights
> online, and this takes the cake.
>
> Thanks Garrett.
>
> **--** Steve
>
>
> The topic in Question? "Lake Ontario Waterkeeper". Read the history, read
> the comments. I was completely besieged starting in the first hour of its
> existence, and for days afterwards. This is what Wikipedia now is.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Ontario_Waterkeeper
>
>
>
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Author: MB Software Solutions General Account
Posted: 2007-10-25 07:02:30 Link
Pete Theisen wrote:
> On Thursday 25 October 2007 00:21, Steven Black wrote:
>
> Hi Steven!
>
> You got into it pretty good with JVP as well, if I recall correctly. You don't
> have a short fuse, do you?
>
Getting into it with him doesn't mean he has a short fuse at all...some
folks just like to get into it. It's their nature.
On Thursday 25 October 2007 07:02, MB Software Solutions General Account
wrote:
> Pete Theisen wrote:
> > On Thursday 25 October 2007 00:21, Steven Black wrote:
> >
> > Hi Steven!
> >
> > You got into it pretty good with JVP as well, if I recall correctly. You
> > don't have a short fuse, do you?
>
> Getting into it with him doesn't mean he has a short fuse at all...some
> folks just like to get into it. It's their nature.
Hi Michael!
Quite right. Have to get back to important [OT] business. Religion, race, sex,
rock and roll, health, immigration, sheep . . .
--
Regards,
Pete