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2004-10-27 14:44Chet Gardiner : [NF] Testing Spam Blocker
2004-10-27 14:50Allen Pollard : RE: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker
2004-10-28 12:35Chet Gardiner : Re: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker
2004-10-28 15:27Bill Arnold : RE: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker
2004-10-28 17:35Garrett Fitzgerald : Re: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker
2004-10-28 17:42Bill Arnold : RE: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker
2004-10-28 17:51Matt Jarvis : RE: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker
2004-10-28 17:55Garrett Fitzgerald : Re: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker
2004-10-28 18:21Ed Leafe : Re: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker
2004-10-28 22:28Bill Arnold : RE: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker
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[NF] Testing Spam Blocker

Author: Chet Gardiner

Posted: 2004-10-27 14:44:50   Link

This is a test.

I'm testing spam blocking software called "Choice Mail Free"

Anyone else using it?

Chet

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My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from www.choicemailfree.com

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RE: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

Author: Allen Pollard

Posted: 2004-10-27 14:50:25   Link

I thought Ed was for a minute and it blocked everthing <g>

Allen

-----Original Message-----

From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com]

On Behalf Of Chet Gardiner

Sent: 27 October 2004 20:45

To: profoxtech@leafe.com

Subject: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

This is a test.

I'm testing spam blocking software called "Choice Mail Free"

Anyone else using it?

Chet

©2004 Allen Pollard
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Re: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

Author: Chet Gardiner

Posted: 2004-10-28 12:35:42   Link

It seems to be working well.

FYI, It's an opt-in system. When someone emails you they have to opt-in on

a web page. You then have the option to accept them in your whitelist or

not. I imported my address book and setup all of the email list names and

get those just fine. So far, so good...

C

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From: "Chet Gardiner" <chetdude@pacbell.net>

To: <profoxtech@leafe.com>

Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:44 PM

Subject: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

This is a test.

I'm testing spam blocking software called "Choice Mail Free"

Anyone else using it?

Chet

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My mailbox is spam-free with ChoiceMail, the leader in personal and

corporate anti-spam solutions. Download your free copy of ChoiceMail from

www.choicemailfree.com

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RE: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

Author: Bill Arnold

Posted: 2004-10-28 15:27:25   Link

I've used email since the beginning, and I fondly remember the days when

each and every email received was 'good' mail. Now, every day I have to

search a haystack for a possible needle. The situation is out of control and

demands a solution.

I firmly believe that the solution to the problem is legislation and

enforcement at the ISP level using a (sophisticated) no-spam list mechanic.

By 'sophisticated', I mean giving users the ability to customize their

definition of spam, e.g. someone who wants spam about mortgages could add

the keyword 'mortgages' to their 'okay' list. And, of course, it would have

to be worldwide.

A less acceptable approach would be a postage stamp-like charge for email,

which of course the ISP's would love, but (a) wouldn't stop spam, and (b)

would make Internet usage unnecessarily more costly for everyone. Not a good

solution.

The opt-in approach (which we don't need a vendor for, we can just using

email filtering) will stop, for example, an effort by a long lost friend to

contact you, among many other unhelpful scenarios. I consider this the least

desirable solution, yet it very much appears to be the direction of the day.

Bill

> It seems to be working well.

>

> FYI, It's an opt-in system. When someone emails you they

> have to opt-in on a web page. You then have the option to

> accept them in your whitelist or not. I imported my address

> book and setup all of the email list names and get those just

> fine. So far, so good...

>

> C

©2004 Bill Arnold
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Re: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

Author: Garrett Fitzgerald

Posted: 2004-10-28 17:35:57   Link

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:27:25 -0400, Bill Arnold <bill@wjarnold.com> wrote:

> I firmly believe that the solution to the problem is legislation and

> enforcement at the ISP level using a (sophisticated) no-spam list mechanic.

> By 'sophisticated', I mean giving users the ability to customize their

> definition of spam, e.g. someone who wants spam about mortgages could add

> the keyword 'mortgages' to their 'okay' list.

So, basically, Bayesian filtering, yes?

©2004 Garrett Fitzgerald
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RE: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

Author: Bill Arnold

Posted: 2004-10-28 17:42:23   Link

Unfortunately, no. I've been using Spambeyes for a while now, and it's

obvious the spammers are onto it, because they include title lines and

wording that closely mimic anything a friend would say. Therefore, spambeyes

filtering is causing more and more friendly mail to get thrown into the spam

bucket, which means we have to go through the spam bucket with a close eye,

which gets us back to step 1.

Bill

> > I firmly believe that the solution to the problem is legislation and

> > enforcement at the ISP level using a (sophisticated) no-spam list

> > mechanic. By 'sophisticated', I mean giving users the ability to

> > customize their definition of spam, e.g. someone who wants

> spam about

> > mortgages could add the keyword 'mortgages' to their 'okay' list.

>

> So, basically, Bayesian filtering, yes?

©2004 Bill Arnold
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RE: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

Author: Matt Jarvis

Posted: 2004-10-28 17:51:04   Link

That's funny you say that.... ever since Ed turned me onto it it's just

gotten better and better at picking out the crap... when in doubt it throws

it in the "Junk Suspects" folder I have set up, and even then about 90% of

those are actual spam anyway.

Never had it fail me yet (that I know of) with a false positive into the

Spam folder (which gets a quick emptying every couple of days)...

Matt Jarvis

Programmer Guy

Northwest Direct

Eugene, Oregon USA

> -----Original Message-----

> From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com

> [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Bill Arnold

> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 3:42 PM

>

> Unfortunately, no. I've been using Spambeyes for a while now,

> and it's obvious the spammers are onto it, because they

> include title lines and wording that closely mimic anything a

> friend would say. Therefore, spambeyes filtering is causing

> more and more friendly mail to get thrown into the spam

> bucket, which means we have to go through the spam bucket

> with a close eye, which gets us back to step 1.

>

>

> Bill

>

©2004 Matt Jarvis
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Re: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

Author: Garrett Fitzgerald

Posted: 2004-10-28 17:55:44   Link

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:42:23 -0400, Bill Arnold <bill@wjarnold.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately, no. I've been using Spambeyes for a while now, and it's

> obvious the spammers are onto it, because they include title lines and

> wording that closely mimic anything a friend would say. Therefore, spambeyes

> filtering is causing more and more friendly mail to get thrown into the spam

> bucket, which means we have to go through the spam bucket with a close eye,

> which gets us back to step 1.

Well, I'm using SpamAssassin on my Nyx account, with Bayesian turned

on, and it's rare that anything gets marked as spam that I actually

want.

One notable exception, though: Camwyn's beta fiction never gets

through to me. It gets chucked straight into the bit bucket, without

even giving me a chance to look at it first.

You are training SpamBayes that the ham messages are non-spam, right?

©2004 Garrett Fitzgerald
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Re: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

Author: Ed Leafe

Posted: 2004-10-28 18:21:16   Link

On Oct 28, 2004, at 6:51 PM, Matt Jarvis wrote:

> That's funny you say that.... ever since Ed turned me onto it it's just

> gotten better and better at picking out the crap... when in doubt it

> throws

> it in the "Junk Suspects" folder I have set up, and even then about

> 90% of

> those are actual spam anyway.

A few do get through - probably less than 10 a week. In that same

time, it typically blocks 100-200 spams. All in all, not too shabby.

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Ed Leafe

http://leafe.com/

http://dabodev.com/

©2004 Ed Leafe
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RE: [NF] Testing Spam Blocker

Author: Bill Arnold

Posted: 2004-10-28 22:28:37   Link

Hi Garrett/Matt,

But my point is that since Spambeyes results cannot be 100% perfect, one

must search the pile every day for 'nuggets', and the pile continues to get

bigger with each passing month with no end in sight, as more and more people

take advantage of free advertising.

Note that I probably get more than the usual amount of spam in the 1st place

because I have 3 email ID's (for real reasons), and one of goes back to the

beginning of the net. It's on a ton of spam lists, somehow.

I've been reading lately about Bill Gate's commitment to stop it, but from

what I've seen so far, his solution involves proprietary code, so it's being

resisted as a standard (even though he's offering licenses for free ...

now).

Let's hope the loggerjam is unraveled soon enough, because we know it can be

(and BG confirms it too), it just takes the right actions in the right

places. An MS proprietary solution isn't the answer, but there does seem to

be a committee working on it, and hopefully they will prevail. I think that

the ISP level is a great place to focus on, and if SP3 finally fixes Windows

exposures, then we ought to be back on track with the Internet being the

greatest invention of all time.

Bill

> Well, I'm using SpamAssassin on my Nyx account, with Bayesian

> turned on, and it's rare that anything gets marked as spam

> that I actually want.

>

> One notable exception, though: Camwyn's beta fiction never

> gets through to me. It gets chucked straight into the bit

> bucket, without even giving me a chance to look at it first.

>

> You are training SpamBayes that the ham messages are non-spam, right?

>

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