So now that the republicans have announced their position, they would seem
to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda. As a result, the
platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a constitutional ban on
gay marriage.
For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances for
young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before legalized
abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the republican's call
to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this position defensible?
As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the
republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is more flash than
substance considering the issue affects society very little in the long run.
The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander to the
exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?
I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a
basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is crafted so
cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the
republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter' leitmotif that
Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.
Andy
On Aug 31, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Andy's mail wrote:
> I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a
> basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is crafted
> so
> cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the
> republican constituency.
Wow, talk about email system problems. This sounds like it was written
in 1992!
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Ed Leafe
Andy's mail wrote:
> So now that the republicans have announced their position, they would
> seem to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda. As a
> result, the platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a
> constitutional ban on gay marriage.
>
> For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances
> for young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before
> legalized abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the
> republican's call to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find
> this position defensible?
>
> As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the
> republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is more
> flash than substance considering the issue affects society very
> little in the long run. The question is, why is this on the platform
> if not to pander to the exaggerated fears of middle, christian
> america?
>
> I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see
> a basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is
> crafted so cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common
> denominator of the republican constituency. That's not the
> 'courageous fighter' leitmotif that Bush wants to portray. I wonder
> what he says to his daughters.
Don't get drunk in public anymore!
Ok, for some reason we think the primary person (Bush, Kerry) decides
what is happening. I'd guess that it is far from the norm. They are
but puppet actors for others who live to direct, produce, and stage.
The producer wants to get the best return on the investment. This is
measured in votes, and returning dollars for re-elections. So to go
hard with bible thumpers makes sense. Have Cheney say gay is ok may be
"staged"??? Now onto thin ice. Swift Boat Vets and or MoveOn.
Does Bush have a say in it? You guess for yourself.
In the long run you have to determine if you agree with the group behind
the man instead of just the man. It's a package deal. As the
extremists spend money in the name of an individual you have to ask what
is expected by these groups after the election is over?????
Stephen Russell
S.R. & Associates
Memphis, TN 38115
901.246-0159
Hi Andy
For President Bush to be elected, he must capture undecided moderates in
the swing states. To appeal to the moderate undecided voter, the RNC has
put a mild face on its convention with keynote speakers that oppose a
constitutional amended against gay marriage and who favor a woman's right
to choice regarding abortion, which puts the convention in direct
opposition to the official Republican party platform.
However, the core of the Republican party, including the Bush
Administration and Republican leaders of both houses of our Legislature,
are far right of the compassionate mask being presented. The official
Republican platform, which is about 93 pages long, is quit extreme to
appease the Religious Right, who have become a strong political force and
who President Bush also needs if he is to be re-elected.
This has resulted in the Republican convention sending mixed messages to
the voters as the party has become two faced. I would characterize the
Republican party as a party suffering an identity crisis.
Regards,
LelandJ
==============Original message text===============
On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:12:28 am CDT "Andy's mail" wrote:
So now that the republicans have announced their position, they would seem
to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda. As a result, the
platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a constitutional ban on
gay marriage.
For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances for
young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before legalized
abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the republican's call
to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this position defensible?
As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the
republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is more flash than
substance considering the issue affects society very little in the long run.
The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander to the
exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?
I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a
basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is crafted so
cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the
republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter' leitmotif that
Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.
Andy
[excessive quoting removed by server]
Andy,
I guess I would consider myself a republican especially in considering the
things I have been learning about the democrat side lately.
However I do not believe any government has the right to govern what a
person does to her/his body as long as they don't force their belief's on
others.
I do not agree with abortion or being gay, but I also don't believe I have
the right to tell you what you can/can't do UNLESS you try to force your
belief's on me.
Virgil Bierschwale
-----Original Message-----
From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Andy's mail
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:12 AM
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: RE: [OT] Issues
So now that the republicans have announced their position, they would seem
to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda. As a result, the
platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a constitutional ban on
gay marriage.
For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances for
young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before legalized
abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the republican's call
to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this position defensible?
As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the
republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is more flash than
substance considering the issue affects society very little in the long run.
The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander to the
exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?
I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a
basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is crafted so
cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the
republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter' leitmotif that
Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.
Andy
[excessive quoting removed by server]
I'm sorry you only 'think' you're a Republican.
Just based on what you said below, you certainly ain't no Democrat.
Jerry Cotton, MCP
2nd Marine Aircraft Wing
Management Training and Assistance Team
Cherry Point, NC 28533
(252)466-4854
mailto:cottonjp.ctr@2mawcp.usmc.mil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Virgil Bierschwale [mailto:vbiersch@ktc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:58 PM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] Issues
>
>
> Andy,
>
> I guess I would consider myself a republican especially in
> considering the
> things I have been learning about the democrat side lately.
>
> However I do not believe any government has the right to govern what a
> person does to her/his body as long as they don't force their
> belief's on
> others.
> I do not agree with abortion or being gay, but I also don't
> believe I have
> the right to tell you what you can/can't do UNLESS you try to
> force your
> belief's on me.
>
>
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: profox-bounces@leafe.com
> [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf
> Of Andy's mail
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:12 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Issues
>
> So now that the republicans have announced their position,
> they would seem
> to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda.
> As a result, the
> platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a
> constitutional ban on
> gay marriage.
>
> For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances for
> young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before legalized
> abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the
> republican's call
> to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this
> position defensible?
>
> As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the
> republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is
> more flash than
> substance considering the issue affects society very little
> in the long run.
> The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander to the
> exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?
>
> I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a
> basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is
> crafted so
> cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the
> republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter'
> leitmotif that
> Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
[excessive quoting removed by server]
<grin> I'm definitely pro business and pro captialism which is what I've
allways thought being republican was.
But I've been humbled by life and I've worked with people over the years
that were gay. They didn't force their lifestyle on me and I didn't question
their lifestyle because it was none of my business.
I've unfortunately been involved with a girl where I tried to do the right
thing and she chose abortion, so I can see both sides of the story there
too.
Its been my experience in life that people left alone will usually adapt to
each other's lifestyle.
Its when the government gets involved and try's to legistate things that
everything goes crazy.
Virgil Bierschwale
-----Original Message-----
From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf
Of Cotton Mr Jerry P
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:18 PM
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: RE: [OT] Issues
I'm sorry you only 'think' you're a Republican.
Just based on what you said below, you certainly ain't no Democrat.
Jerry Cotton, MCP
2nd Marine Aircraft Wing
Management Training and Assistance Team
Cherry Point, NC 28533
(252)466-4854
mailto:cottonjp.ctr@2mawcp.usmc.mil
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Virgil Bierschwale [mailto:vbiersch@ktc.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:58 PM
> To: 'ProFox Email List'
> Subject: RE: [OT] Issues
>
>
> Andy,
>
> I guess I would consider myself a republican especially in
> considering the
> things I have been learning about the democrat side lately.
>
> However I do not believe any government has the right to govern what a
> person does to her/his body as long as they don't force their
> belief's on
> others.
> I do not agree with abortion or being gay, but I also don't
> believe I have
> the right to tell you what you can/can't do UNLESS you try to
> force your
> belief's on me.
>
>
>
> Virgil Bierschwale
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: profox-bounces@leafe.com
> [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf
> Of Andy's mail
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:12 AM
> To: ProFox Email List
> Subject: RE: [OT] Issues
>
> So now that the republicans have announced their position,
> they would seem
> to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda.
> As a result, the
> platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a
> constitutional ban on
> gay marriage.
>
> For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances for
> young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before legalized
> abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the
> republican's call
> to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this
> position defensible?
>
> As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the
> republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is
> more flash than
> substance considering the issue affects society very little
> in the long run.
> The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander to the
> exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?
>
> I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a
> basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is
> crafted so
> cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the
> republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter'
> leitmotif that
> Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.
>
> Andy
>
>
>
>
[excessive quoting removed by server]
On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 13:23, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:
> <grin> I'm definitely pro business and pro captialism which is what I've
> allways thought being republican was.
No, being Republican/Democrat means you're weak-minded enough to
actually join one of those organizations...
Whoop.. Did I let my true feelings slip there a little? :P
--- Andy's mail <anweiss@optonline.net> wrote:
> So now that the republicans have announced their position, they
> would seem
> to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda. As
> a result, the
> platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a
> constitutional ban on
> gay marriage.
And your problem with that is?
>
> For those of you old enough to remember the horrible
> circumstances for
> young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before
> legalized
> abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the
> republican's call
> to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this position
> defensible?
You're right, killing your baby and living with the guilt is much
better than just having it.
>
> As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter
> to the
> republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is
> more flash than
> substance considering the issue affects society very little in
> the long run.
> The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander
> to the
> exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?
I think you have a problem with Christians in general.
>
> I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed
> to see a
> basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is
> crafted so
> cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator
> of the
> republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter'
> leitmotif that
> Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.
>
Moderate? You haven't listened very closely.
=====
Flush the Johns!
John Kerry is simply amazing, 3 purple hearts and not a day spent in the hospital!
www.swiftvets.com
<snip>
> This has resulted in the Republican convention sending mixed
> messages to the voters as the party has become two faced. I
> would characterize the Republican party as a party suffering
> an identity crisis.
And, you would not characterize the democratic party this way?
v/r
Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, DAFC
Data Services Manager
stephen.wolfe@macdill.af.mil
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