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2004-08-31 11:12Andy's mail : RE: [OT] Issues
2004-08-31 11:18Ed Leafe : Re: [OT] Issues
2004-08-31 11:42Stephen the Cook : RE: [OT] Issues
2004-08-31 12:42Leland Jackson : Re: [OT] Issues
2004-08-31 12:58Virgil Bierschwale : RE: [OT] Issues
2004-08-31 13:18Cotton Mr Jerry P : RE: [OT] Issues
2004-08-31 13:23Virgil Bierschwale : RE: [OT] Issues
2004-08-31 13:34Rick Romero : RE: [OT] Issues
2004-08-31 13:44Michael Madigan : RE: [OT] Issues
2004-08-31 13:57Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI : RE: [OT] Issues
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RE: [OT] Issues

Author: Andy's mail

Posted: 2004-08-31 11:12:28   Link

So now that the republicans have announced their position, they would seem

to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda. As a result, the

platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a constitutional ban on

gay marriage.

For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances for

young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before legalized

abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the republican's call

to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this position defensible?

As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the

republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is more flash than

substance considering the issue affects society very little in the long run.

The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander to the

exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?

I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a

basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is crafted so

cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the

republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter' leitmotif that

Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.

Andy

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Re: [OT] Issues

Author: Ed Leafe

Posted: 2004-08-31 11:18:17   Link

On Aug 31, 2004, at 12:12 PM, Andy's mail wrote:

> I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a

> basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is crafted

> so

> cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the

> republican constituency.

Wow, talk about email system problems. This sounds like it was written

in 1992!

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Ed Leafe

http://leafe.com/

http://dabodev.com/

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RE: [OT] Issues

Author: Stephen the Cook

Posted: 2004-08-31 11:42:56   Link

Andy's mail wrote:

> So now that the republicans have announced their position, they would

> seem to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda. As a

> result, the platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a

> constitutional ban on gay marriage.

>

> For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances

> for young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before

> legalized abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the

> republican's call to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find

> this position defensible?

>

> As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the

> republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is more

> flash than substance considering the issue affects society very

> little in the long run. The question is, why is this on the platform

> if not to pander to the exaggerated fears of middle, christian

> america?

>

> I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see

> a basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is

> crafted so cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common

> denominator of the republican constituency. That's not the

> 'courageous fighter' leitmotif that Bush wants to portray. I wonder

> what he says to his daughters.

Don't get drunk in public anymore!

Ok, for some reason we think the primary person (Bush, Kerry) decides

what is happening. I'd guess that it is far from the norm. They are

but puppet actors for others who live to direct, produce, and stage.

The producer wants to get the best return on the investment. This is

measured in votes, and returning dollars for re-elections. So to go

hard with bible thumpers makes sense. Have Cheney say gay is ok may be

"staged"??? Now onto thin ice. Swift Boat Vets and or MoveOn.

Does Bush have a say in it? You guess for yourself.

In the long run you have to determine if you agree with the group behind

the man instead of just the man. It's a package deal. As the

extremists spend money in the name of an individual you have to ask what

is expected by these groups after the election is over?????

Stephen Russell

S.R. & Associates

Memphis, TN 38115

901.246-0159

©2004 Stephen the Cook
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Re: [OT] Issues

Author: Leland Jackson

Posted: 2004-08-31 12:42:34   Link

Hi Andy

For President Bush to be elected, he must capture undecided moderates in

the swing states. To appeal to the moderate undecided voter, the RNC has

put a mild face on its convention with keynote speakers that oppose a

constitutional amended against gay marriage and who favor a woman's right

to choice regarding abortion, which puts the convention in direct

opposition to the official Republican party platform.

However, the core of the Republican party, including the Bush

Administration and Republican leaders of both houses of our Legislature,

are far right of the compassionate mask being presented. The official

Republican platform, which is about 93 pages long, is quit extreme to

appease the Religious Right, who have become a strong political force and

who President Bush also needs if he is to be re-elected.

This has resulted in the Republican convention sending mixed messages to

the voters as the party has become two faced. I would characterize the

Republican party as a party suffering an identity crisis.

Regards,

LelandJ

==============Original message text===============

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 11:12:28 am CDT "Andy's mail" wrote:

So now that the republicans have announced their position, they would seem

to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda. As a result, the

platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a constitutional ban on

gay marriage.

For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances for

young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before legalized

abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the republican's call

to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this position defensible?

As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the

republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is more flash than

substance considering the issue affects society very little in the long run.

The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander to the

exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?

I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a

basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is crafted so

cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the

republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter' leitmotif that

Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.

Andy

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RE: [OT] Issues

Author: Virgil Bierschwale

Posted: 2004-08-31 12:58:26   Link

Andy,

I guess I would consider myself a republican especially in considering the

things I have been learning about the democrat side lately.

However I do not believe any government has the right to govern what a

person does to her/his body as long as they don't force their belief's on

others.

I do not agree with abortion or being gay, but I also don't believe I have

the right to tell you what you can/can't do UNLESS you try to force your

belief's on me.

Virgil Bierschwale

http://www.itspasttime.org

-----Original Message-----

From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf

Of Andy's mail

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:12 AM

To: ProFox Email List

Subject: RE: [OT] Issues

So now that the republicans have announced their position, they would seem

to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda. As a result, the

platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a constitutional ban on

gay marriage.

For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances for

young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before legalized

abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the republican's call

to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this position defensible?

As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the

republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is more flash than

substance considering the issue affects society very little in the long run.

The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander to the

exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?

I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a

basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is crafted so

cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the

republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter' leitmotif that

Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.

Andy

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©2004 Virgil Bierschwale
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RE: [OT] Issues

Author: Cotton Mr Jerry P

Posted: 2004-08-31 13:18:00   Link

I'm sorry you only 'think' you're a Republican.

Just based on what you said below, you certainly ain't no Democrat.

Jerry Cotton, MCP

2nd Marine Aircraft Wing

Management Training and Assistance Team

Cherry Point, NC 28533

(252)466-4854

mailto:cottonjp.ctr@2mawcp.usmc.mil

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Virgil Bierschwale [mailto:vbiersch@ktc.com]

> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:58 PM

> To: 'ProFox Email List'

> Subject: RE: [OT] Issues

>

>

> Andy,

>

> I guess I would consider myself a republican especially in

> considering the

> things I have been learning about the democrat side lately.

>

> However I do not believe any government has the right to govern what a

> person does to her/his body as long as they don't force their

> belief's on

> others.

> I do not agree with abortion or being gay, but I also don't

> believe I have

> the right to tell you what you can/can't do UNLESS you try to

> force your

> belief's on me.

>

>

>

> Virgil Bierschwale

> http://www.itspasttime.org

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: profox-bounces@leafe.com

> [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf

> Of Andy's mail

> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:12 AM

> To: ProFox Email List

> Subject: RE: [OT] Issues

>

> So now that the republicans have announced their position,

> they would seem

> to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda.

> As a result, the

> platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a

> constitutional ban on

> gay marriage.

>

> For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances for

> young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before legalized

> abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the

> republican's call

> to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this

> position defensible?

>

> As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the

> republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is

> more flash than

> substance considering the issue affects society very little

> in the long run.

> The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander to the

> exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?

>

> I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a

> basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is

> crafted so

> cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the

> republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter'

> leitmotif that

> Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.

>

> Andy

>

>

>

>

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RE: [OT] Issues

Author: Virgil Bierschwale

Posted: 2004-08-31 13:23:01   Link

<grin> I'm definitely pro business and pro captialism which is what I've

allways thought being republican was.

But I've been humbled by life and I've worked with people over the years

that were gay. They didn't force their lifestyle on me and I didn't question

their lifestyle because it was none of my business.

I've unfortunately been involved with a girl where I tried to do the right

thing and she chose abortion, so I can see both sides of the story there

too.

Its been my experience in life that people left alone will usually adapt to

each other's lifestyle.

Its when the government gets involved and try's to legistate things that

everything goes crazy.

Virgil Bierschwale

http://www.itspasttime.org

-----Original Message-----

From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf

Of Cotton Mr Jerry P

Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:18 PM

To: 'ProFox Email List'

Subject: RE: [OT] Issues

I'm sorry you only 'think' you're a Republican.

Just based on what you said below, you certainly ain't no Democrat.

Jerry Cotton, MCP

2nd Marine Aircraft Wing

Management Training and Assistance Team

Cherry Point, NC 28533

(252)466-4854

mailto:cottonjp.ctr@2mawcp.usmc.mil

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Virgil Bierschwale [mailto:vbiersch@ktc.com]

> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:58 PM

> To: 'ProFox Email List'

> Subject: RE: [OT] Issues

>

>

> Andy,

>

> I guess I would consider myself a republican especially in

> considering the

> things I have been learning about the democrat side lately.

>

> However I do not believe any government has the right to govern what a

> person does to her/his body as long as they don't force their

> belief's on

> others.

> I do not agree with abortion or being gay, but I also don't

> believe I have

> the right to tell you what you can/can't do UNLESS you try to

> force your

> belief's on me.

>

>

>

> Virgil Bierschwale

> http://www.itspasttime.org

>

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From: profox-bounces@leafe.com

> [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf

> Of Andy's mail

> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:12 AM

> To: ProFox Email List

> Subject: RE: [OT] Issues

>

> So now that the republicans have announced their position,

> they would seem

> to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda.

> As a result, the

> platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a

> constitutional ban on

> gay marriage.

>

> For those of you old enough to remember the horrible circumstances for

> young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before legalized

> abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the

> republican's call

> to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this

> position defensible?

>

> As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter to the

> republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is

> more flash than

> substance considering the issue affects society very little

> in the long run.

> The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander to the

> exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?

>

> I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed to see a

> basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is

> crafted so

> cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator of the

> republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter'

> leitmotif that

> Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.

>

> Andy

>

>

>

>

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RE: [OT] Issues

Author: Rick Romero

Posted: 2004-08-31 13:34:36   Link

On Tue, 2004-08-31 at 13:23, Virgil Bierschwale wrote:

> <grin> I'm definitely pro business and pro captialism which is what I've

> allways thought being republican was.

No, being Republican/Democrat means you're weak-minded enough to

actually join one of those organizations...

Whoop.. Did I let my true feelings slip there a little? :P

©2004 Rick Romero
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RE: [OT] Issues

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2004-08-31 13:44:58   Link

--- Andy's mail <anweiss@optonline.net> wrote:

> So now that the republicans have announced their position, they

> would seem

> to be powerfully allied with the christian right's agenda. As

> a result, the

> platform calls for an end to all abortions and for a

> constitutional ban on

> gay marriage.

And your problem with that is?

>

> For those of you old enough to remember the horrible

> circumstances for

> young, particularly poor, pregnant women in america before

> legalized

> abortion, I wonder what your attitude is considering the

> republican's call

> to roll back the clock to the 1960s. Do you find this position

> defensible?

You're right, killing your baby and living with the guilt is much

better than just having it.

>

> As far as the gay marriage issue, what the hell does it matter

> to the

> republicans? This is one of those emotional issues that is

> more flash than

> substance considering the issue affects society very little in

> the long run.

> The question is, why is this on the platform if not to pander

> to the

> exaggerated fears of middle, christian america?

I think you have a problem with Christians in general.

>

> I, for one, were I a republican, would be somewhat embarassed

> to see a

> basically moderate guy like Bush endorsing a platform that is

> crafted so

> cravenly to gain the support of the lowest common denominator

> of the

> republican constituency. That's not the 'courageous fighter'

> leitmotif that

> Bush wants to portray. I wonder what he says to his daughters.

>

Moderate? You haven't listened very closely.

=====

Flush the Johns!

John Kerry is simply amazing, 3 purple hearts and not a day spent in the hospital!

www.swiftvets.com

©2004 Michael Madigan
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RE: [OT] Issues

Author: Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI

Posted: 2004-08-31 13:57:11   Link

<snip>

> This has resulted in the Republican convention sending mixed

> messages to the voters as the party has become two faced. I

> would characterize the Republican party as a party suffering

> an identity crisis.

And, you would not characterize the democratic party this way?

v/r

Stephen S. Wolfe, GS-11, DAFC

Data Services Manager

stephen.wolfe@macdill.af.mil

(813) 827-9972 DSN 651-9972

©2004 Wolfe Stephen S GS-11 6 MDSS/SGSI