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2004-06-25 07:29Dave Crozier : Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
2004-06-25 07:57Ed Leafe : Re: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
2004-06-25 07:58Tristan Leask : RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
2004-06-25 08:06Dave Crozier : RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
2004-06-25 08:08Eyvind Axelsen : Re: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
2004-06-25 08:19Daryl & Daryl : RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
2004-06-25 08:30Tristan Leask : RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
2004-06-25 09:19Malcolm Greene : RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
2004-06-25 09:34Dave Crozier : RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
2004-06-25 09:48Cindy Winegarden : RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
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Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Author: Dave Crozier

Posted: 2004-06-25 07:29:47   Link

To All,

Having got back in the (very) early morning from Prague I thought I'd

pass on observations on the conference to others in the group.

1. The conference was extremely well attended when you compare it to

other VFP gatherings I've been to - about 480 people I think.

2. All the English session topics ran concurrently - apart from one,

which meant that you could attend topics all day.

3. Lunch and free soft drinks (throughout the conference) were provided

every day. All the Brits (Myself, Allen Pollard, Rob Anderson, Andy

Davies) and Bob Lee (made an honorary Brit for the week) soon became

infamous and we were all amazed at the serving of FREE Beer at lunchtime

in the canteen. Needless to say none of us partook of the beverage ;-).

4. All sessions were well attended and the ones hosted by Steve Black

were extremely informative, especially "OOP Heuristics" which certainly

started the old brain cells ticking. I also PROMISE to re-investigate

the Taskpane after Toni's insight into its vagaries, instead of just

closing it immediately!!!

5. Both Mike and Toni Feltman gave good sessions relating to both

intellisense and Client Server Data Access Techniques. Ken was his usual

effervescent self, displaying "things to do" with the VFP9 Beta and

getting totally carried away with enthusiasm.

6. The course material was supplied as usual on a CD with many source

code examples which I shall avidly digest over the next few days.

7. The developers party was organized for the Tuesday night, but we were

forced into a "treasure hunt" route march of what seemed about 100 miles

before we finally arrived at the restaurant. Needless to say the route

bak to the hotel was about 5 minutes. I still have the blisters to prove

the point DOH!!!

8. Even now the VFP team are talking about additions to V10 and even

though we asked for the possibility of either "record structures" or a

decent Windows API interface this was met with a "probably not" comment.

On the plus side however, Ken did mention that the next release would

"PROBABLY" have a full interface into .NET with the abiity to call .NET

routines natively so that's a small step forward and gives me faith in

the fact that VFP will remain around for some time - albeit with a

declining developer's base although I still don't know why M$ can't

promote the product a little more - but that's an ogoing gripe which I

won't develop.

9. Not many people seemed to be aware of the Profox list so we all did a

major relations exercise to promote this EXCELLENT resource.

10. Prague is a beautiful city and VERY cheap so go book it in all your

diaries for next year!

All in all though, an extremely good event, both in technical content

and especially socially. It was good to meet Woody and all the other

"faceless people" we get to communicate with on Profox. I think everyone

learnt a little bit more about our beloved VFP product.

All the English speakers (yes we include Redneck Colonial Colonel Bob

Lee in that) really enjoyed ourselves especially being caught out in a

torrential rainstorm whilst trying to eat a meal outside!! I looked a

little like a drowned rat after about 10 gallons of water deposited

itself down my back. I await to see the pictures Allen and thanks for

the sympathy (NOT)!

Talking of Mr Allen Pollard, he seems to have developed a reputation

(true or false I cannot say <bg>.) of being attracted to red heads.

Whether this only relates to the female sex I'm not sure. However, some

pictures posted by Bob, with Allen admiring a read-headed HORSE were

really quite worrying! I guess this could neatly fit in with the

Daryll's in some way!!! He even began to look at the pink painted cows

with a knowing grin!!

Oh, and just to close, I thank Rob Anderson for keeping me up until 4:00

in the morning playing "guess that tune..." - well at least we had lots

of beer - hope your head gets better soon <vbg>.

As for Bob, I can’t wait to gain access the "secret pictures" from

Prague posted on his site but HOW DO I GET TO THEM!!! Especially as both

him and Allen seem to have devised a new sport roughly described as DMGP

or Digital Mammary Gland Processing. This "hobby" is only to be indulged

in whilst in possession of a digital camera, drinking LOTS of beer and

watching examples of the fairer sex pass by!!! I leave the rest to the

imagination, but how we avoided being dumped into jail amazed me.

I shall certainly book again for next year and would urge everyone else

to.

Here's to the next Devcon, and Bob - if you read this, a separate copy

of the "nudge nudge wink wink photo's" would be appreciated but only by

snail mail and in a brown paper package!!!

Have Fun Y'all.

Dave Crozier

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Re: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Author: Ed Leafe

Posted: 2004-06-25 07:57:48   Link

On Jun 25, 2004, at 8:29 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:

> Having got back in the (very) early morning from Prague I thought I'd

> pass on observations on the conference to others in the group.

Well, I'm both very glad and very angry that you posted that. Glad

because there was a lot of great information for those of us who

couldn't be there. And angry because I wanted to be there, and now I

realize just what a great time I missed!

___/

/

__/

/

____/

Ed Leafe

http://leafe.com/

http://dabodev.com/

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RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Author: Tristan Leask

Posted: 2004-06-25 07:58:17   Link

Cool stuff! It sounds like 'we who didn't go missed out'. I am especially

jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague as you guys so

obviously did!

Tristan

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Behalf Of Dave Crozier

Sent: 25 June 2004 13:30

To: ProFoxProxyError

Subject: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

To All,

Having got back in the (very) early morning from Prague I thought I'd

pass on observations on the conference to others in the group.

1. The conference was extremely well attended when you compare it to

other VFP gatherings I've been to - about 480 people I think.

2. All the English session topics ran concurrently - apart from one,

which meant that you could attend topics all day.

3. Lunch and free soft drinks (throughout the conference) were provided

every day. All the Brits (Myself, Allen Pollard, Rob Anderson, Andy

Davies) and Bob Lee (made an honorary Brit for the week) soon became

infamous and we were all amazed at the serving of FREE Beer at lunchtime

in the canteen. Needless to say none of us partook of the beverage ;-).

4. All sessions were well attended and the ones hosted by Steve Black

were extremely informative, especially "OOP Heuristics" which certainly

started the old brain cells ticking. I also PROMISE to re-investigate

the Taskpane after Toni's insight into its vagaries, instead of just

closing it immediately!!!

5. Both Mike and Toni Feltman gave good sessions relating to both

intellisense and Client Server Data Access Techniques. Ken was his usual

effervescent self, displaying "things to do" with the VFP9 Beta and

getting totally carried away with enthusiasm.

6. The course material was supplied as usual on a CD with many source

code examples which I shall avidly digest over the next few days.

7. The developers party was organized for the Tuesday night, but we were

forced into a "treasure hunt" route march of what seemed about 100 miles

before we finally arrived at the restaurant. Needless to say the route

bak to the hotel was about 5 minutes. I still have the blisters to prove

the point DOH!!!

8. Even now the VFP team are talking about additions to V10 and even

though we asked for the possibility of either "record structures" or a

decent Windows API interface this was met with a "probably not" comment.

On the plus side however, Ken did mention that the next release would

"PROBABLY" have a full interface into .NET with the abiity to call .NET

routines natively so that's a small step forward and gives me faith in

the fact that VFP will remain around for some time - albeit with a

declining developer's base although I still don't know why M$ can't

promote the product a little more - but that's an ogoing gripe which I

won't develop.

9. Not many people seemed to be aware of the Profox list so we all did a

major relations exercise to promote this EXCELLENT resource.

10. Prague is a beautiful city and VERY cheap so go book it in all your

diaries for next year!

All in all though, an extremely good event, both in technical content

and especially socially. It was good to meet Woody and all the other

"faceless people" we get to communicate with on Profox. I think everyone

learnt a little bit more about our beloved VFP product.

All the English speakers (yes we include Redneck Colonial Colonel Bob

Lee in that) really enjoyed ourselves especially being caught out in a

torrential rainstorm whilst trying to eat a meal outside!! I looked a

little like a drowned rat after about 10 gallons of water deposited

itself down my back. I await to see the pictures Allen and thanks for

the sympathy (NOT)!

Talking of Mr Allen Pollard, he seems to have developed a reputation

(true or false I cannot say <bg>.) of being attracted to red heads.

Whether this only relates to the female sex I'm not sure. However, some

pictures posted by Bob, with Allen admiring a read-headed HORSE were

really quite worrying! I guess this could neatly fit in with the

Daryll's in some way!!! He even began to look at the pink painted cows

with a knowing grin!!

Oh, and just to close, I thank Rob Anderson for keeping me up until 4:00

in the morning playing "guess that tune..." - well at least we had lots

of beer - hope your head gets better soon <vbg>.

As for Bob, I can’t wait to gain access the "secret pictures" from

Prague posted on his site but HOW DO I GET TO THEM!!! Especially as both

him and Allen seem to have devised a new sport roughly described as DMGP

or Digital Mammary Gland Processing. This "hobby" is only to be indulged

in whilst in possession of a digital camera, drinking LOTS of beer and

watching examples of the fairer sex pass by!!! I leave the rest to the

imagination, but how we avoided being dumped into jail amazed me.

I shall certainly book again for next year and would urge everyone else

to.

Here's to the next Devcon, and Bob - if you read this, a separate copy

of the "nudge nudge wink wink photo's" would be appreciated but only by

snail mail and in a brown paper package!!!

Have Fun Y'all.

Dave Crozier

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RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Author: Dave Crozier

Posted: 2004-06-25 08:06:16   Link

Ed,

Don't feel too bad, we sank a few beers in your honour!

Dave Crozier

-----Original Message-----

From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On

Behalf Of Ed Leafe

Sent: 25 June 2004 13:58

To: ProFox Email List

Subject: Re: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

On Jun 25, 2004, at 8:29 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:

> Having got back in the (very) early morning from Prague I thought I'd

> pass on observations on the conference to others in the group.

Well, I'm both very glad and very angry that you posted that.

Glad

because there was a lot of great information for those of us who

couldn't be there. And angry because I wanted to be there, and now I

realize just what a great time I missed!

___/

/

__/

/

____/

Ed Leafe

http://leafe.com/

http://dabodev.com/

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Re: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Author: Eyvind Axelsen

Posted: 2004-06-25 08:08:18   Link

> -----Opprinnelig melding-----

> Fra: Tristan Leask [mailto:trgl@marinesoftware.co.uk]

> 8. Even now the VFP team are talking about additions to V10 (...).

> On the plus side however, Ken did mention that the next release would

> "PROBABLY" have a full interface into .NET with the abiity to call .NET

> routines natively so that's a small step forward and gives me faith in

> the fact that VFP will remain around for some time

Wow! A full interface to .Net sounds terrific! Do you have some more details

on that?

Best regards,

Eyvind.

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RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Author: Daryl & Daryl

Posted: 2004-06-25 08:19:04   Link

>> I am especially jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague

Geesh...

Is that all you guys think about, the "girls" in Prague?

I hope someone took some pictures of the sheep in Prague. Anyone?

Daryl

-----Original Message-----

From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com

[mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com]On Behalf Of Tristan Leask

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:58 AM

To: profoxtech@leafe.com

Subject: RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Cool stuff! It sounds like 'we who didn't go missed out'. I am especially

jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague as you guys so

obviously did!

Tristan

©2004 Daryl & Daryl
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RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Author: Tristan Leask

Posted: 2004-06-25 08:30:26   Link

Well that and the fab beer that they have over there. Come on, it is a

Friday and the day is get shorter and sorter which means only one thing,

after hours drinking <dizzy grin>

Tristan

-----Original Message-----

From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On

Behalf Of Daryl & Daryl

Sent: 25 June 2004 14:19

To: profoxtech@leafe.com

Subject: RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

>> I am especially jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in

Prague

Geesh...

Is that all you guys think about, the "girls" in Prague?

I hope someone took some pictures of the sheep in Prague. Anyone?

Daryl

-----Original Message-----

From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com

[mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com]On Behalf Of Tristan Leask

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:58 AM

To: profoxtech@leafe.com

Subject: RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Cool stuff! It sounds like 'we who didn't go missed out'. I am especially

jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague as you guys so

obviously did!

Tristan

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RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Author: Malcolm Greene

Posted: 2004-06-25 09:19:37   Link

Daryl (& Daryl),

> I hope someone took some pictures of the sheep in Prague

www.sheepacrosstheworld.com

Malcolm

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To: profoxtech@leafe.com

Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:19:04 -0700

Subject: RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

>> I am especially jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague

Geesh...

Is that all you guys think about, the "girls" in Prague?

I hope someone took some pictures of the sheep in Prague. Anyone?

Daryl

-----Original Message-----

From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com

[mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com]On Behalf Of Tristan Leask

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:58 AM

To: profoxtech@leafe.com

Subject: RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Cool stuff! It sounds like 'we who didn't go missed out'. I am

especially

jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague as you guys

so

obviously did!

Tristan

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RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Author: Dave Crozier

Posted: 2004-06-25 09:34:37   Link

Wyvnd,

Well no-one confirmed it officially but that is the aim. I guess Ken

will fill everyone in on the progress of this "addition". I too wait for

it in anticipation.

We actually asked for "record structures" as per Pascal/ VB (a little)

etc but were told that this would not be possible - a pity I think as

interfacing with outside Active-X components and the Win API is a real

pain in VFP and always results in the "trial and error" approach - at

least as far as I am concerned.

The M$ approach is obviously to get rid of any calls to the API as they

break the rule of being protected/safe etc. With a little bit of

prodding though it was let slip that the aim is to interface with .NET

via the appropriate calls/interface actually within VFP, but NOT to

include .NET features directly within VFP.

I hope it wasn't just the beer talking!!!!

I can't wait to find out.

Dave Crozier

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Behalf Of Eyvind Axelsen

Sent: 25 June 2004 14:08

To: 'ProFox Email List'

Subject: Re: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

> -----Opprinnelig melding-----

> Fra: Tristan Leask [mailto:trgl@marinesoftware.co.uk]

> 8. Even now the VFP team are talking about additions to V10 (...).

> On the plus side however, Ken did mention that the next release would

> "PROBABLY" have a full interface into .NET with the abiity to call

.NET

> routines natively so that's a small step forward and gives me faith in

> the fact that VFP will remain around for some time

Wow! A full interface to .Net sounds terrific! Do you have some more

details

on that?

Best regards,

Eyvind.

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RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

Author: Cindy Winegarden

Posted: 2004-06-25 09:48:55   Link

I imagine the Longhorn API may be different in many ways from the present

Win API. Perhaps programming a Win API interface at this point in time is a

dead end.

Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP

cindy.winegarden@mvps.org

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Behalf Of Dave Crozier

Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:30 AM

To: ProFoxProxyError

Subject: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home

8. ... a

decent Windows API interface this was met with a "probably not" comment.

©2004 Cindy Winegarden