To All,
Having got back in the (very) early morning from Prague I thought I'd
pass on observations on the conference to others in the group.
1. The conference was extremely well attended when you compare it to
other VFP gatherings I've been to - about 480 people I think.
2. All the English session topics ran concurrently - apart from one,
which meant that you could attend topics all day.
3. Lunch and free soft drinks (throughout the conference) were provided
every day. All the Brits (Myself, Allen Pollard, Rob Anderson, Andy
Davies) and Bob Lee (made an honorary Brit for the week) soon became
infamous and we were all amazed at the serving of FREE Beer at lunchtime
in the canteen. Needless to say none of us partook of the beverage ;-).
4. All sessions were well attended and the ones hosted by Steve Black
were extremely informative, especially "OOP Heuristics" which certainly
started the old brain cells ticking. I also PROMISE to re-investigate
the Taskpane after Toni's insight into its vagaries, instead of just
closing it immediately!!!
5. Both Mike and Toni Feltman gave good sessions relating to both
intellisense and Client Server Data Access Techniques. Ken was his usual
effervescent self, displaying "things to do" with the VFP9 Beta and
getting totally carried away with enthusiasm.
6. The course material was supplied as usual on a CD with many source
code examples which I shall avidly digest over the next few days.
7. The developers party was organized for the Tuesday night, but we were
forced into a "treasure hunt" route march of what seemed about 100 miles
before we finally arrived at the restaurant. Needless to say the route
bak to the hotel was about 5 minutes. I still have the blisters to prove
the point DOH!!!
8. Even now the VFP team are talking about additions to V10 and even
though we asked for the possibility of either "record structures" or a
decent Windows API interface this was met with a "probably not" comment.
On the plus side however, Ken did mention that the next release would
"PROBABLY" have a full interface into .NET with the abiity to call .NET
routines natively so that's a small step forward and gives me faith in
the fact that VFP will remain around for some time - albeit with a
declining developer's base although I still don't know why M$ can't
promote the product a little more - but that's an ogoing gripe which I
won't develop.
9. Not many people seemed to be aware of the Profox list so we all did a
major relations exercise to promote this EXCELLENT resource.
10. Prague is a beautiful city and VERY cheap so go book it in all your
diaries for next year!
All in all though, an extremely good event, both in technical content
and especially socially. It was good to meet Woody and all the other
"faceless people" we get to communicate with on Profox. I think everyone
learnt a little bit more about our beloved VFP product.
All the English speakers (yes we include Redneck Colonial Colonel Bob
Lee in that) really enjoyed ourselves especially being caught out in a
torrential rainstorm whilst trying to eat a meal outside!! I looked a
little like a drowned rat after about 10 gallons of water deposited
itself down my back. I await to see the pictures Allen and thanks for
the sympathy (NOT)!
Talking of Mr Allen Pollard, he seems to have developed a reputation
(true or false I cannot say <bg>.) of being attracted to red heads.
Whether this only relates to the female sex I'm not sure. However, some
pictures posted by Bob, with Allen admiring a read-headed HORSE were
really quite worrying! I guess this could neatly fit in with the
Daryll's in some way!!! He even began to look at the pink painted cows
with a knowing grin!!
Oh, and just to close, I thank Rob Anderson for keeping me up until 4:00
in the morning playing "guess that tune..." - well at least we had lots
of beer - hope your head gets better soon <vbg>.
As for Bob, I canââ¬â¢t wait to gain access the "secret pictures" from
Prague posted on his site but HOW DO I GET TO THEM!!! Especially as both
him and Allen seem to have devised a new sport roughly described as DMGP
or Digital Mammary Gland Processing. This "hobby" is only to be indulged
in whilst in possession of a digital camera, drinking LOTS of beer and
watching examples of the fairer sex pass by!!! I leave the rest to the
imagination, but how we avoided being dumped into jail amazed me.
I shall certainly book again for next year and would urge everyone else
to.
Here's to the next Devcon, and Bob - if you read this, a separate copy
of the "nudge nudge wink wink photo's" would be appreciated but only by
snail mail and in a brown paper package!!!
Have Fun Y'all.
Dave Crozier
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On Jun 25, 2004, at 8:29 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:
> Having got back in the (very) early morning from Prague I thought I'd
> pass on observations on the conference to others in the group.
Well, I'm both very glad and very angry that you posted that. Glad
because there was a lot of great information for those of us who
couldn't be there. And angry because I wanted to be there, and now I
realize just what a great time I missed!
___/
/
__/
/
____/
Ed Leafe
Cool stuff! It sounds like 'we who didn't go missed out'. I am especially
jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague as you guys so
obviously did!
Tristan
-----Original Message-----
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Behalf Of Dave Crozier
Sent: 25 June 2004 13:30
To: ProFoxProxyError
Subject: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
To All,
Having got back in the (very) early morning from Prague I thought I'd
pass on observations on the conference to others in the group.
1. The conference was extremely well attended when you compare it to
other VFP gatherings I've been to - about 480 people I think.
2. All the English session topics ran concurrently - apart from one,
which meant that you could attend topics all day.
3. Lunch and free soft drinks (throughout the conference) were provided
every day. All the Brits (Myself, Allen Pollard, Rob Anderson, Andy
Davies) and Bob Lee (made an honorary Brit for the week) soon became
infamous and we were all amazed at the serving of FREE Beer at lunchtime
in the canteen. Needless to say none of us partook of the beverage ;-).
4. All sessions were well attended and the ones hosted by Steve Black
were extremely informative, especially "OOP Heuristics" which certainly
started the old brain cells ticking. I also PROMISE to re-investigate
the Taskpane after Toni's insight into its vagaries, instead of just
closing it immediately!!!
5. Both Mike and Toni Feltman gave good sessions relating to both
intellisense and Client Server Data Access Techniques. Ken was his usual
effervescent self, displaying "things to do" with the VFP9 Beta and
getting totally carried away with enthusiasm.
6. The course material was supplied as usual on a CD with many source
code examples which I shall avidly digest over the next few days.
7. The developers party was organized for the Tuesday night, but we were
forced into a "treasure hunt" route march of what seemed about 100 miles
before we finally arrived at the restaurant. Needless to say the route
bak to the hotel was about 5 minutes. I still have the blisters to prove
the point DOH!!!
8. Even now the VFP team are talking about additions to V10 and even
though we asked for the possibility of either "record structures" or a
decent Windows API interface this was met with a "probably not" comment.
On the plus side however, Ken did mention that the next release would
"PROBABLY" have a full interface into .NET with the abiity to call .NET
routines natively so that's a small step forward and gives me faith in
the fact that VFP will remain around for some time - albeit with a
declining developer's base although I still don't know why M$ can't
promote the product a little more - but that's an ogoing gripe which I
won't develop.
9. Not many people seemed to be aware of the Profox list so we all did a
major relations exercise to promote this EXCELLENT resource.
10. Prague is a beautiful city and VERY cheap so go book it in all your
diaries for next year!
All in all though, an extremely good event, both in technical content
and especially socially. It was good to meet Woody and all the other
"faceless people" we get to communicate with on Profox. I think everyone
learnt a little bit more about our beloved VFP product.
All the English speakers (yes we include Redneck Colonial Colonel Bob
Lee in that) really enjoyed ourselves especially being caught out in a
torrential rainstorm whilst trying to eat a meal outside!! I looked a
little like a drowned rat after about 10 gallons of water deposited
itself down my back. I await to see the pictures Allen and thanks for
the sympathy (NOT)!
Talking of Mr Allen Pollard, he seems to have developed a reputation
(true or false I cannot say <bg>.) of being attracted to red heads.
Whether this only relates to the female sex I'm not sure. However, some
pictures posted by Bob, with Allen admiring a read-headed HORSE were
really quite worrying! I guess this could neatly fit in with the
Daryll's in some way!!! He even began to look at the pink painted cows
with a knowing grin!!
Oh, and just to close, I thank Rob Anderson for keeping me up until 4:00
in the morning playing "guess that tune..." - well at least we had lots
of beer - hope your head gets better soon <vbg>.
As for Bob, I canââ¬â¢t wait to gain access the "secret pictures" from
Prague posted on his site but HOW DO I GET TO THEM!!! Especially as both
him and Allen seem to have devised a new sport roughly described as DMGP
or Digital Mammary Gland Processing. This "hobby" is only to be indulged
in whilst in possession of a digital camera, drinking LOTS of beer and
watching examples of the fairer sex pass by!!! I leave the rest to the
imagination, but how we avoided being dumped into jail amazed me.
I shall certainly book again for next year and would urge everyone else
to.
Here's to the next Devcon, and Bob - if you read this, a separate copy
of the "nudge nudge wink wink photo's" would be appreciated but only by
snail mail and in a brown paper package!!!
Have Fun Y'all.
Dave Crozier
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Ed,
Don't feel too bad, we sank a few beers in your honour!
Dave Crozier
-----Original Message-----
From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On
Behalf Of Ed Leafe
Sent: 25 June 2004 13:58
To: ProFox Email List
Subject: Re: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
On Jun 25, 2004, at 8:29 AM, Dave Crozier wrote:
> Having got back in the (very) early morning from Prague I thought I'd
> pass on observations on the conference to others in the group.
Well, I'm both very glad and very angry that you posted that.
Glad
because there was a lot of great information for those of us who
couldn't be there. And angry because I wanted to be there, and now I
realize just what a great time I missed!
___/
/
__/
/
____/
Ed Leafe
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> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: Tristan Leask [mailto:trgl@marinesoftware.co.uk]
> 8. Even now the VFP team are talking about additions to V10 (...).
> On the plus side however, Ken did mention that the next release would
> "PROBABLY" have a full interface into .NET with the abiity to call .NET
> routines natively so that's a small step forward and gives me faith in
> the fact that VFP will remain around for some time
Wow! A full interface to .Net sounds terrific! Do you have some more details
on that?
Best regards,
Eyvind.
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>> I am especially jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague
Geesh...
Is that all you guys think about, the "girls" in Prague?
I hope someone took some pictures of the sheep in Prague. Anyone?
Daryl
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From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com
[mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com]On Behalf Of Tristan Leask
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:58 AM
To: profoxtech@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
Cool stuff! It sounds like 'we who didn't go missed out'. I am especially
jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague as you guys so
obviously did!
Tristan
Well that and the fab beer that they have over there. Come on, it is a
Friday and the day is get shorter and sorter which means only one thing,
after hours drinking <dizzy grin>
Tristan
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From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com] On
Behalf Of Daryl & Daryl
Sent: 25 June 2004 14:19
To: profoxtech@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
>> I am especially jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in
Prague
Geesh...
Is that all you guys think about, the "girls" in Prague?
I hope someone took some pictures of the sheep in Prague. Anyone?
Daryl
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From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com
[mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com]On Behalf Of Tristan Leask
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:58 AM
To: profoxtech@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
Cool stuff! It sounds like 'we who didn't go missed out'. I am especially
jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague as you guys so
obviously did!
Tristan
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Daryl (& Daryl),
> I hope someone took some pictures of the sheep in Prague
www.sheepacrosstheworld.com
Malcolm
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From: "Daryl & Daryl" <Daryl_and_Daryl@velocityquest.com>
To: profoxtech@leafe.com
Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:19:04 -0700
Subject: RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
>> I am especially jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague
Geesh...
Is that all you guys think about, the "girls" in Prague?
I hope someone took some pictures of the sheep in Prague. Anyone?
Daryl
-----Original Message-----
From: profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com
[mailto:profoxtech-bounces@leafe.com]On Behalf Of Tristan Leask
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 5:58 AM
To: profoxtech@leafe.com
Subject: RE: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
Cool stuff! It sounds like 'we who didn't go missed out'. I am
especially
jealous of not getting to gander at the 'ladies' in Prague as you guys
so
obviously did!
Tristan
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Wyvnd,
Well no-one confirmed it officially but that is the aim. I guess Ken
will fill everyone in on the progress of this "addition". I too wait for
it in anticipation.
We actually asked for "record structures" as per Pascal/ VB (a little)
etc but were told that this would not be possible - a pity I think as
interfacing with outside Active-X components and the Win API is a real
pain in VFP and always results in the "trial and error" approach - at
least as far as I am concerned.
The M$ approach is obviously to get rid of any calls to the API as they
break the rule of being protected/safe etc. With a little bit of
prodding though it was let slip that the aim is to interface with .NET
via the appropriate calls/interface actually within VFP, but NOT to
include .NET features directly within VFP.
I hope it wasn't just the beer talking!!!!
I can't wait to find out.
Dave Crozier
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From: profox-bounces@leafe.com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On
Behalf Of Eyvind Axelsen
Sent: 25 June 2004 14:08
To: 'ProFox Email List'
Subject: Re: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
> -----Opprinnelig melding-----
> Fra: Tristan Leask [mailto:trgl@marinesoftware.co.uk]
> 8. Even now the VFP team are talking about additions to V10 (...).
> On the plus side however, Ken did mention that the next release would
> "PROBABLY" have a full interface into .NET with the abiity to call
.NET
> routines natively so that's a small step forward and gives me faith in
> the fact that VFP will remain around for some time
Wow! A full interface to .Net sounds terrific! Do you have some more
details
on that?
Best regards,
Eyvind.
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I imagine the Longhorn API may be different in many ways from the present
Win API. Perhaps programming a Win API interface at this point in time is a
dead end.
Cindy Winegarden MCSD, Microsoft Visual FoxPro MVP
cindy.winegarden@mvps.org
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Behalf Of Dave Crozier
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:30 AM
To: ProFoxProxyError
Subject: Prague Devcon - Now I'm Home
8. ... a
decent Windows API interface this was met with a "probably not" comment.