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2004-02-19 14:07Charlie Coleman : VFP 9 - any 'public' info
2004-02-19 14:11Michael J. Babcock : Re: VFP 9 - any 'public' info
2004-02-19 14:56Cotton Mr Jerry P : RE: VFP 9 - any 'public' info
2004-02-19 15:08Charlie Coleman : RE: VFP 9 - any 'public' info
2004-02-19 15:38Profox : RE: VFP 9 - any 'public' info
2004-02-19 17:00Michael J. Babcock : Re: VFP 9 - any 'public' info
2004-02-19 17:11Michael J. Babcock : Re: VFP 9 - any 'public' info
2004-02-19 17:12Michael Madigan : Re: VFP 9 - any 'public' info
2004-02-19 17:19Anthony Testi : RE: VFP 9 - any 'public' info
2004-02-19 17:51Michael J. Babcock : Re: VFP 9 - any 'public' info
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VFP 9 - any 'public' info

Author: Charlie Coleman

Posted: 2004-02-19 14:07:00   Link

Is there any 'public' information on VFP 9? E.g we've been hearing about

it, but it doesn't look like there is any info on it on MS's site

(surprise). I've got a client that would like to use the information as

reference material to shut up the idiots in his IT department that say VFP

is not supported by MS.

As an aside, bizarre, observation - doesn't it seem the computer industry

has more than it's fair share of blithering idiots? I mean supposedly

'certified' professionals don't know the basics of computer and

communication functionality. They think .Net is some magic box. They think

Web Services are some new magic communication system. They believe XML is

the only valid data storage format. Of course, when you ask them to go 1 or

2 levels down in understanding and technical detail (e.g. what is the

actual communication protocol used by .Net and Web Services, etc), they get

the 'deer-in-the-headlights' stare. God. Sometimes I feel completely hopeless.

-Charlie

©2004 Charlie Coleman
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Re: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

Author: Michael J. Babcock

Posted: 2004-02-19 14:11:00   Link

Charlie Coleman wrote:

> Is there any 'public' information on VFP 9? E.g we've been hearing about

> it, but it doesn't look like there is any info on it on MS's site

> (surprise). I've got a client that would like to use the information as

> reference material to shut up the idiots in his IT department that say

> VFP is not supported by MS.

Good question to ask klevy@microsoft.com if it doesn't get answered here.

> As an aside, bizarre, observation - doesn't it seem the computer

> industry has more than it's fair share of blithering idiots? I mean

> supposedly 'certified' professionals don't know the basics of computer

> and communication functionality. They think .Net is some magic box. They

> think Web Services are some new magic communication system. They believe

> XML is the only valid data storage format. Of course, when you ask them

> to go 1 or 2 levels down in understanding and technical detail (e.g.

> what is the actual communication protocol used by .Net and Web Services,

> etc), they get the 'deer-in-the-headlights' stare. God. Sometimes I feel

> completely hopeless.

Oh yeah, there are some good folks to be sure, but there are tons of

'blithering idiots' as you said. Guess they're like

aholes---everybody's got 'em!! ;-)

©2004 Michael J. Babcock
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RE: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

Author: Cotton Mr Jerry P

Posted: 2004-02-19 14:56:00   Link

Charlie

Is this public enough for you?

<http://msdn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro/letters/>

Jerry Cotton, MCP

2nd Marine Aircraft Wing

Management Training and Assistance Team

Cherry Point, NC 28533

(252)466-4854

mailto:cottonjp.ctr@2mawcp.usmc.mil

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Charlie Coleman [mailto:colemanc@acm.org]

> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 2:49 PM

> To: ProFox Email List

> Subject: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

>

>

> Is there any 'public' information on VFP 9? E.g we've been

> hearing about it, but it doesn't look like there is any info

> on it on MS's site (surprise). I've got a client that would

> like to use the information as reference material to shut up

> the idiots in his IT department that say VFP is not supported by MS.

>

> As an aside, bizarre, observation - doesn't it seem the

> computer industry has more than it's fair share of blithering

> idiots? I mean supposedly 'certified' professionals don't

> know the basics of computer and communication functionality.

> They think .Net is some magic box. They think Web Services

> are some new magic communication system. They believe XML is

> the only valid data storage format. Of course, when you ask

> them to go 1 or

> 2 levels down in understanding and technical detail (e.g.

> what is the actual communication protocol used by .Net and

> Web Services, etc), they get the 'deer-in-the-headlights'

> stare. God. Sometimes I feel completely hopeless.

>

> -Charlie

>

>

[excessive quoting removed by server]

©2004 Cotton Mr Jerry P
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RE: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

Author: Charlie Coleman

Posted: 2004-02-19 15:08:00   Link

That's pretty good. The following FPA article would also seem to put

questions about VFP 9 to rest:

http://foxpro.advisor.com/doc/13520

-Charlie

>Charlie

>

>Is this public enough for you?

>

><http://msdn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro/letters/>

>

>Jerry Cotton, MCP

©2004 Charlie Coleman
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RE: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

Author: Profox

Posted: 2004-02-19 15:38:00   Link

I think the most interesting quote from this article is

http://foxpro.advisor.com/doc/13520

"There are currently no plans to base Europa on the Windows .NET

Framework or integrate it into Visual Studio. However, Europa will

continue to include seamless interoperability with .NET."

I interpret the word "currently" to mean that the door is not closed on a

.NET version of VFP. Unlikely, yes. But out of the question - no. (I know

there's a zillion reasons why one can't/shouldn't port VFP to .NET - but

I have faith that the brillance and fortitude of the VFP development team

can overcome these so-called obstacles)

I know - I'm an optimist.

Malcolm

----- Original message -----

From: "Charlie Coleman" <colemanc@acm.org>

To: profoxtech@leafe.com

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:19:08 -0500

Subject: RE: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

That's pretty good. The following FPA article would also seem to put

questions about VFP 9 to rest:

http://foxpro.advisor.com/doc/13520

-Charlie

>Charlie

>

>Is this public enough for you?

>

><http://msdn.microsoft.com/vfoxpro/letters/>

>

>Jerry Cotton, MCP

[excessive quoting removed by server]

©2004 Profox
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Re: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

Author: Michael J. Babcock

Posted: 2004-02-19 17:00:00   Link

Profox wrote:

>...but I have faith that the brillance and fortitude of the VFP

development team can overcome these so-called obstacles)

Those guys can do ANYTHING!!! They're awesome!!! We're in good hands...

--

Michael J. Babcock, MCP

President/CSA, MB Software Solutions, LLC

http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com

"Bettering your bottom line by helping you work smarter, not harder,

with custom software solutions."

©2004 Michael J. Babcock
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Re: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

Author: Michael J. Babcock

Posted: 2004-02-19 17:11:00   Link

From the article at http://foxpro.advisor.com/doc/13520:

"Create arrays with greater than 65K elements"

There you go, Anthony! Now you can have that dropdown with 65K+

elements in it!!!! <gd&r>

--

Michael J. Babcock, MCP

President/CSA, MB Software Solutions, LLC

http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com

"Bettering your bottom line by helping you work smarter, not harder,

with custom software solutions."

©2004 Michael J. Babcock
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Re: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

Author: Michael Madigan

Posted: 2004-02-19 17:12:00   Link

I'm pretty sure VFP 9.0 will be open source and run under Linux :)

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RE: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

Author: Anthony Testi

Posted: 2004-02-19 17:19:00   Link

That was exactly what I was thinking when I re-read it! Except for now the

SALES DEPARTMENT, who drives the UI specs can have.... <s>

-----Original Message-----

From: Michael J. Babcock [mailto:vfpmcp@mbsoftwaresolutions.com]

From the article at http://foxpro.advisor.com/doc/13520:

"Create arrays with greater than 65K elements"

There you go, Anthony! Now you can have that dropdown with 65K+

elements in it!!!! <gd&r>

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Re: VFP 9 - any 'public' info

Author: Michael J. Babcock

Posted: 2004-02-19 17:51:00   Link

Charlie Coleman wrote:

> That's pretty good. The following FPA article would also seem to put

> questions about VFP 9 to rest:

>

> http://foxpro.advisor.com/doc/13520

Charlie -- let us know the reaction of those blowholes when you educate

them. ;-)

--

Michael J. Babcock, MCP

President/CSA, MB Software Solutions, LLC

http://mbsoftwaresolutions.com

"Bettering your bottom line by helping you work smarter, not harder,

with custom software solutions."

©2004 Michael J. Babcock