Watch "Escape to Chimp Eden" on Animal Planet. It
reminds me of an inner city where society breaks down.
http://animal.discovery.com/tv/chimp-eden/chimp-eden.html
You have a ton of violence, Alpha males impregnating
everything, and women who get out of line are beaten.
--- Charlie Coleman <colemanc .at. acm DO.T org> wrote:
> At 02:22 PM 3/11/2008 -0400, Ed Leafe wrote:
> >On Mar 11, 2008, at 2:51 PM, Charlie Coleman wrote:
> >
> > > But what I'm wondering is where you get your
> basis of morals. If all we
> > really have is ourselves as the basis, then who is
> to say
> > > who is right and wrong?
> >
> > Did it ever occur to you that religions
> got their morals from
> >society, and not the other way around?
>
> I was trying to find my notes on some
> classes/discussions/studies I had on
> the origin of societies. I think they had some good
> citations there. But I
> couldn't find 'em. But the summary understanding I
> recall is that societies
> end up being formed based on the family units that
> originally found the
> society. And, in the past, the familial/tribal
> groups already have a basis
> of their 'religious' understanding before they form
> into the more
> encompassing/enlarging society.
>
> I'll have to dig around some more. I remember it was
> an interesting study.
>
> > Every other social animal in the world has
> an innate sense of how
> > to
> >recognize their own and how to deal with them. Why
> would people be any
> >different?
>
> Hmm... Generally, the "social animals" commit
> immediate violence upon
> anyone else of their kind that trespass in their
> territory - and, in like
> kind, the goal of the younger is to kill off the
> older/weaker to ensure
> their own survival. Most also attempt to mate with
> as many others of their
> kind as possible (not all, but most). It seems our
> "western" laws and
> "morals" are in contradiction to those aspects, and
> probably many others.
>
>
> > Have you ever noticed that by and large,
> people are the same all
> >around the world? Customs may differ, but societal
> norms are
> >remarkably similar. It is a very self-serving
> attitude of religions to
> >claim that morals are handed down from On High,
> with Religion X as the
> >only way to really get the inside scoop on how we
> are supposed to
> >behave.
>
> Actually, I don't think that is true. People
> themselves are similar, but
> their interactions are anything but similar across
> the world. The early
> culture of the Japanese is vastly different than the
> early culture of the
> tribes in the heart of Africa, and both are
> different than our early
> culture. In modern times, some cultures are becoming
> similar, but they did
> not start off that way (at least from what I've
> studied).
>
> -Charlie
>
>
>
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