What I find amusing is the fact that our existence and flourishing on
the planet is viewed as somehow "unnatural" by those who claim we
naturally evolved on this planet and were not created by God or
dropped off by aliens.
Why should our manipulation of our environment to build homes and
cities and sustain large numbers of our population using whatever
nature has handed us in the form of raw materials be viewed as
fundamentally different than the terraforming of ants or
river-altering dam-building of beavers?
In reality, it's the social organization that leads to such brutal
efficiency and inexorable growth that they hate---the laws of
economics, which we figured out and have used to stabilize our social
structures over the last couple centuries, don't conform to their
romantic notions of how life "ought to be" in a fair and just
universe. So this convenient scientific observation of what appears to
be rapid climate change is a nice hammer to beat their political
points home with. They are no different than the loons who use the
Bible's rather complex imagery of some metaphorical "end times" to
push their denomination's recruitment numbers up. Just as biblical
doom-n-gloomers are not exactly great practicioners of the art of
hermeneutical exegis, neither are many of the extreme or even
bandwagon global warming activists exactly the most disciplined
scientists.
- Bob
! -----Original Message-----
! From: profox-bounces .at. leafe .DOT com
! [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
! Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 5:03 PM
! To: ProFox Email List
! Subject: RE: [OT] The Coming Ice Age
!
! What's great are the same people who deny the existance of
! God based on evidence, embrace the idea
! of global warming on less evidence.
!
!
!
!
! --- Bob Calco <bob .at. bobcalco .DOT net> wrote:
!
! > While we are on the subject of global warming/cooling past and
! > future...:
! >
! > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/5034026.stm
! >
! > ---
! > Appy Sluijs points out that the data reveals that some of
! the climate
! > models used to detail the Arctic's history got things wrong, and
as
! > they are the same models that predict our future climate
! they may need
! > adjusting.
! >
! > Kate Moran, lead author of one the papers and professor of
! > oceanography and ocean engineering at University of Rhode Island,
! > agrees: "We anticipate that our data will be used by
! climate modellers
! > to give us better information about how climate change occurs and
! > possibly where global climate might be leading.
! >
! > "Today's warming of the Arctic can, in all likelihood, be
attributed
! > to mankind's impact on the planet, but as our data suggest,
natural
! > processes operating in the past have also resulted in a
significant
! > warming and cooling of the Arctic."
! > ---
! >
! >
! > - Bob
! >
! > ! -----Original Message-----
! > ! From: profox-bounces@leafe.com
! > ! [mailto:profox-bounces .at. leafe .DOT com] On Behalf Of Bob Calco
! > ! Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 4:28 PM
! > ! To: 'ProFox Email List'
! > ! Subject: RE: [OT] The Coming Ice Age
! > !
! > ! The more correct way to put IMHO it is that it's easy for
! man in his
! > ! arrogance to assume he can cause and/or prevent long-term
! > ! climatological change. In reality, life has been wiped
! out more than
! > ! once on this planet and it will likely be wiped out
! again. If nature
! > ! is moving more quickly now toward a new climatological regime,
! > whether
! > ! we contributed to it or not, we're pretty much powerless
! to stop it.
! > ! But the evidence that it may be happening more quickly followed
by
! > the
! > ! conjecture that it can be explained by man-made phenomena are
less
! > and
! > ! less convincing the larger your geological time horizon.
! All manner
! > of
! > ! sudden and seemingly inexplicable changes have occurred on this
! > planet
! > ! long before man hobbled together his most recent attempt at
! > ! civilization. To think economic sepukku is the "cure" to this
! > ! perceived problem is naïve in the extreme.
! > !
! > ! We are as much a part of nature and its laws as any
! animal. Do we do
! > ! destructive things? Yes. Will destroying our economy fix
! the balance
! > ! of nature? Of this I am skeptical, even allowing the speculation
! > that
! > ! economic progress is the "culprit". I see little gain and
! only a lot
! > ! of pain in taking the kinds of measures advocated by
! those who feel
! > ! the end is near and we must, so to speak, repent of our
! modern ways
! > by
! > ! dramatically curtailing our economic activity.
! > !
! > ! Clearly sensible steps should be taken to be as conscious of our
! > role
! > ! in the ecology of things, but to think governments or
! > multi-nationals
! > ! are capable of sensible things is a matter that requires
rigorous
! > ! proof before we trust or require either to take those steps. :)
! > !
! > ! First we have to define "sensible" and I think this has as much
! > chance
! > ! of success as getting Pamela Anderson and Pat Buchanan to agree
on
! > the
! > ! term "decent"...
! > !
! > ! - Bob
! > !
! > ! ! -----Original Message-----
! > ! ! From: profox-bounces@leafe.com
! > ! ! [mailto:profox-bounces .at. leafe .DOT com] On Behalf Of Michael Madigan
! > ! ! Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:55 PM
! > ! ! To: profox@leafe.com
! > ! ! Subject: [OT] The Coming Ice Age
! > ! !
! > ! ! Only an idiot would believe that global warming is caused by
! > ! ! man. Why just 30 years ago, the same
! > ! ! morons were calling for an ice age.
! > ! !
! > ! !
! http://www.junkscience.com/mar06/Time_AnotherIceAge_June241974.pdf
! > ! !
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