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Subject: Re: [OT] Our Founding Fathers on the issue of America asaChristian Nation
Author: Pete Theisen
Posted: 2003/08/31 15:38:00
 
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Hi Leland!

Any good political figures, ever?

You seem to be assuming that atheism and secularism are *not* religions
when in fact, they are, or are of that order. The deity or non-deity is
different, but the level of *belief* and the fervor of *faith* is the same
if not more so.

Freedom of religion would have to mean that we were free to reject atheism
and secularism just as the atheists and secularists are free to reject the
theistic religions. What I see happening is compulsory atheism, as has
happened many times in recent history.

Regards,

Pete

At 12:06 PM 8/31/03 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi Pete,
>
>Its about Freedom of Religion and Freedom in general. The Religious
>Right, a misnomer since they are more about politics than religion,
>would like to tear down the wall that separates church from state. If
>successful, they could push candidates, including the President of the
>United States, into political office. Then they could have a direct
>influence on judicial appointments to the courts including the Supreme
>Court.
>
>Once they had control of the judicial system, they could interpret the
>constitution and bill of rights in accordance with the Religious Rights
>point of view on abortion, prayer, proper social behavior including
>morals, free speech, and it could even go so far a proper apparel.
>
>This would lead to the forfeiture of our freedom and a church state that
>dictated everything.
>
>To make a long story short, Hitler Bad, Lenin Bad, S talon Bad, Bush
>Bad. Freedom Good.
>
>LelandJ
>
>
>
>Pete Theisen wrote:
>
>>Hi Ed!
>>
>>I don't know, it seems to me that Bush is mostly secular right. Oh, all
>>politicians make a show of what little religion they have, but I don't
>>think of Bush as especially religious.
>>
>>Of course, to someone with no religion at all, or even antagonistic to
>>religion, it could *seem* otherwise. <g>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Pete
>>
>>At 07:32 AM 8/31/03 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Sunday, August 31, 2003, at 12:46 AM, Garrett Fitzgerald wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>A lot of the text sounds like a direct condemnation of the Catholic
>>>>>Church. Which is probably well-deserved. IMO, the Catholic Church may
>>>>>not be a true Christian religion - at least their past does not
>>>>>indicate so.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Skip the insults, please.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Hey, if the Bush and the Religious Right have their way, you'd better
>>>start getting used to it. That attitude is more common than you might
>>>think. They look at Catholics and their statues and rosaries and Pope
>>>and have the same reaction as Catholics might when considering, say,
>>>Santeria or other variations.
>>>
>>> ___/
>>> /
>>> __/
>>> /
>>> ____/
>>> Ed Leafe
>>> http://leafe.com/
>>> http://opentech.leafe.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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