I think it's a great idea. I suspect it won't be long until it's a reality.
One option might be to find a way to mount an external antenna on an RV--(push
comes to shove, one could dangle a USB transceiver out the window...that's what
I'd do).
Chet
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Arnold" <wjarnold AT prodigy D.OT net>
To: "'ProFox Email List'" <profox@leafe.com>
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 1:45 AM
Subject: RE: [NF] WI-FI setup
> Hi Chet,
>
>
> Yeah, but I was reading something on the net, probably in
> http://www.wired.com/ that said new WI-FI equipment supports up to a
> mile radius. I think I saved the link and will try to find it.
>
> As I mentioned, my daughter's local (small) ISP is very interested in
> being a WI-FI provider, so I told him I'll give him whatever information
> I can come up with on it. My personal interest would be for RV sites to
> have it as part of a standard hook-up, like water/electric/sewer. Some
> (few) offer telephone service, but they could all offer WI-FI if it's
> just a matter of setting up 1 antennae for the entire park. I think it
> would be a boon, actually, but that's probably a little futuristic.
>
>
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Warning:
>
> I had trouble getting a signal 25' through a fairly well constructed
> floor and a
> flimsy wall in my place. I ended up moving my Wireless DSL/Router
> upstairs and
> string a wire to my downstairs machines.
>
> These devices use very low power signals and are easily blocked by lots
> of
> construction. I would think that the metal skin of an RV would be a
> quite
> effective radio wave blocker.
>
> The only way to be sure is to try it.
>
> Chet
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Arnold" <wjarnold AT prodigy D.OT net>
> To: "'ProFox Email List'" <profox@leafe.com>
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2003 12:44 AM
> Subject: RE: [NF] WI-FI setup
>
>
> > Hi Rick,
> >
> > That's a lot of information! Maybe too much <s> seeing 1,986 items
> (many
> > different) listed on ebay is daunting.
> >
> > I'll see if I can dig up the reference I was looking at that spoke
> about
> > the 1 mile range. Looking at one of your references
> > http://www5.cs.cornell.edu/~eckstrom/802.11a/primestar/
> > I see this passage:
> >
> > "At the present moment (June 2002) no manufacturers offer low-cost
> > devices with detactable antennae. This significantly limits range of
> > 802.11a to around 300 Meters under the best conditions. Directional
> > antenna are needed to focus the send/receive energy at further
> > distance."
> >
> >
> > But that was as of a year ago. I'll have to see if I can dig up the
> > reference I noticed last week or so that said WI-FI is now (or soon)
> > available for up to a mile radius, because without that kind of
> > distance, the setup is of diminished value. Also, I'm thinking of RV
> > parks, which are typically the 'right size' for a mile-radius, but
> would
> > not benefit from something with only a 300 meter radius (the problem
> of
> > covering a mile-wide area with 'small circles' seems daunting, unless
> > they can overlap, but ..)
> >
> > I see your mention of line-of-sight, but since machines are typically
> > behind walls, I guess you mean a qualified-line-of-site that allows
> for
> > walls.
> >
> > Yes, I can see how the user side transmitters would have to be up to
> the
> > job for sending that distance, and that is a special consideration.
> >
> > Looking at Bluetooth devices, I see they are limited to 33'. That
> > doesn't seem too useful, except for maybe places like Starbucks.
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: profox-bounces AT leafe D.OT com [mailto:profox-bounces@leafe.com] On
> > Behalf Of Rick Romero
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2003 7:35 AM
> > To: ProFox Email List
> > Subject: Re: [NF] WI-FI setup
> >
> > On Wed, 2003-06-11 at 05:17, Bill Arnold wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone setup a WI-FI system like this? What hardware/software is
> > > involved/recommended? I don't think cost is a major consideration,
> so
> > I'd
> > > opt for the best - meaning the vendors with good equipment that will
> > be
> > > around for a while)
> > >
> > > My basic understanding is that he'd need an antennae of some sort, a
> > > hard-wired connection to a backbone (DSL/cable), and software to
> > control
> > > access rights (and ?). As an ISP, he's already got the backbone
> > connection,
> > > so I *assume* adding WI-FI would be pretty simple for him to do -
> just
> > order
> > > the hardware, install it, give out some access rights and turn it
> on.
> >
> > Authentication: http://nocat.net/
> > Wireless Mesh: http://librenix.com/?inode=2637
> > Hardware:
> > http://www.practicallynetworked.com/networking/wireless_bridge.htm
> >
> > http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/equipment/2001/rni_2400.html
> > Antennas:
> > http://www5.cs.cornell.edu/~eckstrom/802.11a/primestar/
> >
> http://www.odessaoffice.com/wireless/antenna/how_to_pick_the_right_anten
> > na.htm
> >
> http://listings.ebay.com/pool2/plistings/list/all/category20321/index.ht
> > ml?from=R4
> >
> > (Hmm I can't seem to find the exhaustive 'antenna' site I was checking
> > out before)
> >
> > It sounds great (and I was looking into doing this downtown by the
> time
> > the FoxPro conference was here), but there's one flaw:
> > Your generic end-user isn't going to have a card thats powerful enough
> > to get a signal BACK to an ISP's single AP 1 mile away.
> >
> > Generally the "1-mile" is line-of-sight. So he has to setup a 'base'
> > station, and have repeater AP's spread around the city to get any
> decent
> > coverage. That's why I was looking at just 'blanketing' a local
> hotel.
> > You can charge more for a shorter 'usage' time, and your customer base
> > is dynamic.
> >
> > > I guess users would have to buy (rent; be provided with) hardware to
> > get to
> > > the WI-FI network, such as a USB connected antennae, like the one
> used
> > for
> > > wireless keyboards/mice?
> >
> > Yep.
> >
> > > For those interested in earning side-money, I betcha do these setups
> > (incl
> > > users who don't have USB 2 cards) would be a profitable side job.
> >
> > I don't think wireless is at that point yet. It's like having a PC in
> > the mid 80's. Generally those who already know what they're doing
> have
> > them.
> >
> >
> > Rick
> >
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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