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Subject: Re: V4Cocoa
Author: Ruslan Zasukhin
Posted: 2002/09/29 09:27:48
 
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on 9/29/02 3:00 PM, Finlay Dobbie at finlay (at) dobbie .DOT net wrote:

>> No, C++ is best of the best :-)
>
> Your logic is slightly flawed. :-)
>
> Sure, the benefits of Obj-C might not be terribly well manifested in
> this SDK as it stands at the moment, but even just the integration at
> the moment is worth it. I am also considering making a function where
> you could define an Obj-C object and then perform a query on a database
> which allocates a copy of that object for each row and fills in the
> instance variables with the fields, which many people would find useful
> (I think this is probably a bit like EOF was). Another possibility
> would be the ability to serialize objects to a database using
> NSKeyValueCoding.

Man, this is THIRD MODEL that Valentina can support --
Pure Object Orineted database.

This is when
1) some classes marked as persistent
2) for each row in fact user get instance of that class.

Here we have 2 branches:
A) totally own implementation
B) following by ODMG standard

Agree?

> If you used Obj-C for writing a Cocoa app, you'd find it's lovely :-)

> (I have quite a bit of code in V4Cocoa that deals with typids of
> objects and performing dynamic_casts on them to make them all of the
> right type... in Obj-C, I wouldn't need to bother). There are many
> advantages to using the current V4Cocoa over the VSDK C++ even in its
> current state, though, when building Cocoa apps: no need to pollute
> Obj-C code with ugly C++ (;-D -- you get used to all the [] all over
> the place and it doesn't look as odd as it does at first), no need to
> use the extremely slow Obj-C++ compiler for all your code (my current
> project, Blue6, uses VSDK C++ and so almost all the controllers have to
> be .mm files and take ages to compile). That's not to mention the
> possibilities I describe above.

Finlay, I DO NOT say that we do not need V4Cocoa,
We need it very much !!!

I just try discuss a little with you language itself:
Objective-C against C++ ?

We can start other thread on this ?
May be you know some URL that answer on this ?
What can I do with Objective C more easier and effectively than in C++ ?

> I did have some code for VBitSet, VBitSetIterator, etc but I removed it
> since I didn't see it present in any of the other APIs :-)

As I have mention, I think in future versions this classes must be added to
ALL products that has OO support: VJDK, V4RB, VCOM, V4Cocoa.

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Ruslan Zasukhin [ I feel the need...the need for speed ]
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