On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Ted Roche <tedroche@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Carl Karsten <carl@personnelware.com> wrote:
>>
>> I would like to throw in a question for discussion: What is the
>> minimum set of features for something to be a wiki?
>>
>
> Great question!
>
> Well, if the minimal definition of wiki is "quick" then any easily
> editable web page might be considered a wiki.
>
> cite: http://wiki.org/wiki.cgi?WhatIsWiki
well, too many things are quick, so that's too broad. like posting a
comment on a blog. unless the blog is a wiki :)
>
>> I added this to my Django flatpage* based site:
>>
>> {% if user.is_staff %}
>> <a href="/admin/flatpages/flatpage/{{flatpage.id}}/">edit</a>
>>
>
> There you go! Role-Based Access Control!
>
>> But there are no automatic links from camel case, to create a new page
>> you have to hit the "new page" link in the Django admin, etc. So is
>> it a wiki? Whatever it is, it made my client very happy.
>
> It might be. I created my first blog by editing Wiki pages and naming
> them with an appropriate chronological scheme, linking them to a
> calendar-view page. Because I used Twiki, was it a wiki or a blog?
If what you created is really a blog (which I have often wondered what
is/isn't) then it is both, and that's just fine: in both of our cases,
the wiki is the technology we used to implement something. In my case
a mostly static advertisement, in your case a dynamic "what is on my
mind" thing.
>
> Few of these terms are well-defined at all. I bristle when I hear the
> evening news anchors say, "Visit our blog at (A|B|C)BC.com for more"
> -- that's not a blog, it's a CMS-driven website!
>
>> [1] http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/ref/contrib/flatpages/
>
> Interesting process. I'm not happy that the default routing logic is
> to try all applications, throw a 404, and finally search for a
> flatpage as a last resort/rescue. Seems like flat-page retrieval and
> rendering could be higher up in the event process to avoid the error
> handler. .
Yeah, and if you forget to include a 404.html page, the 404 processing
breaks and you get a 500 server error before the flatpage code kicks
in, and you have no idea what is going on.
> But I'll bet there's an architechtural reason that that's the
> best flow
My guess is good enough is good enough.
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Author: Ted Roche
Posted: 2010-06-05 18:56:32 Link
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Carl Karsten <carl@personnelware.com> wrote:
>
> If what you created is really a blog (which I have often wondered what
> is/isn't) then it is both, and that's just fine: in both of our cases,
> the wiki is the technology we used to implement something.
I think the answer to both questions is more a matter of defining the
literature of the result than it is the tools that are used to get
there: just as there are novels, novellas, poetry, free verse and
other forms of expression, I would suggest the definition might be:
Weblog: documents on the web, organized by default in reverse
chronological order, written as a single opinionated voice as a
journal
Wiki: documents on the web, organized by default into a
self-referential web, written as an impersonal, factual voice as a
reference.
YMMV, of course.
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Author: Ted Roche
Posted: 2010-06-07 09:50:01 Link
On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Carl Karsten <carl@personnelware.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Ted Roche <tedroche@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Carl Karsten <carl@personnelware.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would like to throw in a question for discussion: What is the
>>> minimum set of features for something to be a wiki?
>>>
>>
Wikipedia says:
"The primary difference between wikis and more complex types of
content management systems is that wikis tend to focus on the content,
at the expense of the more powerful control over layout, workflow and
publishing technologies such as blogs present in other CMSes."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki_software
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Posted: 2010-06-07 11:45:50 Link
You can see the notes of what I'll be presenting tonight at:
http://blog.tedroche.com/2010/06/07/centralug-wikis/
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